Big Fish και άλλα

[kirileman]

E ma einai profanes re Konnak!!! :wink:

 

Kaizer otan paizotan h "25h ora" den imoun kan stin aithousa. Htan i moni (eftixos i distixos) tainia pou "exasa" tin perasmeni sezon. Se dvd tin eida (kai tin exo episis se divx). Giafto kai oses fores dokimasa na tin ksanado, stathika kirios sti sigkekrimenes skines sto night club, kai eidika sti sxesi tou kathigiti me tis mathitrias, opos eipa. Ok, kai i skini me ton kathrefti itan poli idiaiteri, alla afti mou fanike ligo "sike", epitidevmeni"...ksereis..."ante na riksoume tora ena bineliki se olous gia na sokaroume ligo". Kapos etsi. Htan vevaia isopedotikos o bagasas!!! Dikaiologeitai, tha mou peis, apo tin fortismeni tou psixiki katastasi. To telos tis tainias einai to pio amfilegomeno kommati tis. Alloi theoroun poli thetiko pou i tainia telliose toso irema, xoris entasi, xoris na ginei kati sigklonistiko, eno kapoioi alloi to theoroun poli kako. Ego pali eimai anapofasistos, genika gia tin tainia...

 

SPOILERS

Se oti afora to likanthropo De Vito sto "Big Fish", (afto gia tin ipervoli stis istories tou patera Bloom ennoeitai), logiko akougetai afto pou les gia to stoixeio tis monaksias kai tis adinamias tou somatos na akoulouthisei tis epithimies tou pnevmatos (ennoeis antistoixia likou-pnevmatos kai anthropou-somatos???), alla exo tin entiposi oti (kai) kati allo "ithele na pei" o poiitis me ton likanthropo. Borei na kano kai lathos...

[KaizerSoze]

Gia tin skini sto kathrefti:To bineliki itan to oxima.Oli i skini tha mporouse na symperilifthei stis 2 teleutaies atakes:

Monty-F*ck them!!

Kathreftis-No,f*ck you!!

 

Thelei polla kotsia na kaneis auti tin skini stin meta-9/11-Ameriki

 

Oso gia to telos:Egw emeina m@lakas me tin vouvi kraugi ekei pou ton dernei o Barry Pepper

 

 

Gia to Big Fish,nomizw oti to exigei kapws sto diaologo pou akolouthei to idio prwi.Ena apo ta parapona mou apo to BF einai oti kapws itan aploika symvoliko.Vevea auto einai to styl Burton alla tespa...

[kirileman]

E tora, min mou peis oti den itan enoxlitiko to bineliki pou erikse prota apolous, "gia kalo kai gia kako" ston Osama, se Pakistanous, Irakinous, Asiates kai mousoulmanous genikotera!!! Ti kotsia thelei afto? Kotsia tha ithele na ta "xoseis" amesos stous simpatriotes tous, stin amerikaniki esoteriki kai eksoteriki politiki. Ok, pernaei ena politiko minima alla den nomizo oti voutaei sta vatheia. Kathara topikistiki thematologia kai protheseis. Les kai kosmos einai mono i New York, alla den einai fisika (kata to "Ellada den eimai mono i Athina"). O eaftoulis tou itan to thema!!! Tha mou peis, anagnorizei telika oti o eaftos tou itan afto pou tou eftaige pano apola kai prota apolous, kai ekei katelikse. Alla poia kotsia tora meta tin endekati Septemvriou? "Ek tou asfalous" vadizei ekei i tainia, kai o skinothetis. Giafto milisa gia "epitidevmeno" ksespasma kai "entexni" korifosi. Anamfisvitita, pantos, einai apo tis poli "dinates" stigmes tis tainias, isos i pio xaraktiristiki.

[KaizerSoze]

E tora, min mou peis oti den itan enoxlitiko to bineliki pou erikse prota apolous, "gia kalo kai gia kako" ston Osama, se Pakistanous, Irakinous, Asiates kai mousoulmanous genikotera!!! Ti kotsia thelei afto? Kotsia tha ithele na ta "xoseis" amesos stous simpatriotes tous, stin amerikaniki esoteriki kai eksoteriki politiki. Ok, pernaei ena politiko minima alla den nomizo oti voutaei sta vatheia. Kathara topikistiki thematologia kai protheseis.

Mallon den epiases to noima tis tainias:25i wra,i epomeni wra,i wra tis perisyllogis,tou apologismou,tis apofasis gia to pws tha synexistei i zwi sou.Apo tis 24 wres tis imeras i 25i einai i krisimoteri.Kai stin sygekrimeni skini o Spike Lee(go Knicks baby) vazei ton Monty na kanei oti ekane kathe Amerikanos post-9/11.Na koitaxtei ston kathrefti kai na ta xwsei se kathe allon ektos apo ton euato tou,na katigorisei olous tous allous gia ta provlimata tou,tin idia wra pou koitaei ton euato tou alla den to katalavanei.Omws auti tin fora o kathreftis antexei kai malista tou to epistrefei sta moutra.O idios tou o eautos tou leei:

Monty-F@ck them

Kathreftis-No,f@ck you!!

Gia mena to na peis 2 molis xronia meta tis 9/11 stin panisxyri xwra sou kai ton exorgismeno kosmo tis (kai na sou pw tin alithia,skepsou esy,kai oloi mas 2 pragmata:polloi eipame stous Amerikanous "Ta thelate kai ta pathate" alla den skeftikame pws afenos ta MME kai i Kyvernisi tous den tous enimerwnei gia to ti ginetai ston ypoloipo opote they never saw it coming kai kyriws exete analogistei an auto ginotan stin Ellada an tha kathotan kanenas apo mas na skeftei giati egine?Oloi tha zitagame amesws ekdikisi)"Re seis,mipws ftaime kai meis?Mipws kaname kati gia na mas misoun oi alloi?"

[kirileman]

Katalava re Kaizer ti einai i 25i ora (min ipotimas kai si toso ti noimosini ton allon). Apla mou fanike ligo stimeni i oli skini, kati den mou arese. Kai sto kato kato, apoti thimamai, den eipe tipota apolitos gia tin kivernisi tous, apolitos tipota, afti pou tous "enimeronei gia to ti simvainei ston ipoloipo kosmo" i oxi, esto epeidi den tous prostatefsan. Simfono mazi sou alla prepei na prostheso oti akoma kai o kathreftis tou fainetai koimatai ton ipno tou dikaiou, i esto vlepei kontoftalma. Telika, o kathreftis epistrefei to bineliki ston idio to Monty, siniditopoiei oti pano apola ftaiei o idios tou o eaftos gia tin kaki poreia tis zois tous kai kanenas allos, alla olo afto to ksespasma mou deixnei oti akoma kai tora deixnei na ton endiaferei mono o eaftoulis tou (ante kai i poli tou), diatirei diladi tin idia logiki i opoia ton odigise stin katastrofi (an endiaferotan kai gia tous allous den tha poulouse narkotika....) kai aporo afto pou den tous afipnizei (tous amerikanous, tous theates klp). Afto akrivos lamvano apo tin tainia kai me enoxlei (epeidi den eimai amerikanos vevaia), "pathame oti pathame, mialo den valame omos", i mallon, "valame mialo kai giafto tin epomeni tha tous fame olous kai malista pio apotelesmatika" (emeis oi amerikanoi) etsi oste na min ksanaexoume antipoina opos tis 11/9, kati pou fanike kai stis epomenes dimoskopiseis gia krisima themata eksoterikis amerikanikis politikis (kapos etsi prepei na apantisan stin erotisi pou kai si egrapses sto telos tou minimatos sou, "ftaime diladi emeis giati merikoi apo aftous zoune akoma"). Afto omos den einai aftokritiki, einai eksarsi egoismou kai MISSALLODOKSIAS, kai me tis dio ennoies tis leksis. Me alla logia, antidro, en merei, sto politiko minima tis tainias.

[KaizerSoze]

Re kirile,kopse gmaw tin trela mou me tin ypotimisi tis noimosinis!!!Pwwww syndromo katadiwxis exeis??Kaneis den se ypotima!!!

 

Oso gia tin skini me ton kathrefti:a)Tin kyvernisi pws na tin kollage???Ta xwnei synexws stous allous kai sto telos me mia ataka ta gremizei ola b)To point tou Spike pou prepei na einai didagma gia OLES tis xwres einai pws FTAIS kai sy gia tin kyvernisi sou.O kathenas exei tin kyvernisi-kai tin tileorasi-pou tou axizei.Opws eixe pei kapoios(gamwto xtes to diavasa xana alla den thymamai to onoma) "To megalytero kako einai otan oi kaloi anthrwpoi den kanoun tipota"

 

 

Pantws giauto pou lambaneis apo tin tainia exeis APOLYTO adiko...Les gia ta narkwtika,auta ypotithete oti einai parelthon.Akoma kai sto telos,to minima einai to swsto:I Ameriki mporei na apomonwthei,na fygei,na xathei kai na kanei san na min synevi tipota.O SL omws protinei na skypsei to kefali,na faei tin poini tis kai na dei ti tha kanei apo dw kai mpros.Epipleon-min ta sysxetizeis ola me tin Ameriki,i tainia milaei kai gia ton kathena xehwrista.Min anakalypteis fantastikous exthrous.Eidika o Spike Lee den ta pigene pote KALA me tous Amerikanous.Se polles tainies ,opws sto On the bus,ta vazei akoma kai me tous maurous(nai,ok,i tainia einai anti-ratsistiki alla se polla simeia deixnei kai ta meionektimata tis idias tou tis fylis).Opws kai na to kaneis omws re sy, einai i patrida tou kai i NY einai i poli tou.Esy diladi an ekanes tin tainia stin Athina den tha tin ekanes??

Me kati tetoia omws re kirile pragmatika,den mou dineis eukairia na pw oti katalaves tin tainia.KAI XEKWLA ME TIN NOIMOSYNI!!!Den einai kako out ypotimitiko na min exeis katalavei kati se mia tainia.Esy opws kioloi mas polles fores nomizoume oti exoume katalavei kai prospathoume na tairiaxoume ta panta stin apopsi mas,oxi stin apopsi tis tainias

[kirileman]

Vasika ego milousa gia ti skini sto kathrefti kai eidika se oti exei na kanei me afto pou eipes gia ta "kotsia" pou xreiazetai kaneis na pei afta ta pragmata stous amerikanous meta to xtipima tis 11/9.. Simfono gia ta ipoloipa ligo i poli. Apla ekeini eidika i skini mou kakofainetai gia tous logous pou eksigisa kai me ton tropo pou parousiastike, den nomizo oti ta xonei OUSIASTIKA stous amerikanous. Ekei thelo na katalikso. To kleino edo.

 

 

Επειδή αρκετά έχει ξεφύγει η συζήτηση από το αρχικό θέμα, μεταφέρω εδώ το σχόλιο γιά το Monster.

Αν θέλετε να συνεχίσετε τη συζήτηση γιά την 25η ώρα, υπάρχει άλλο topic γιά την ταινία.

[kirileman]

Ba, to arxiko thema itan "Big Fish kai alla". Xe xe xe...