i pikria enos typou pou akouei metal....

[polaki]

Opos eipe kai o Toufas, allo i rap pou vlepeis sto MTV, kai allo i pragmatiki rap stous dromous kai ta underground meri opou paizetai apo afthentikous anthropous kai einai vgalmeni apti zoi tous.

 

 

Den eipa pote oti taftizomai me ton Remo, poso malista "apoluti taftisi" pou lanthasmena anafereis. To tragoudi afto pou eipa telika einai ena pou leei "me tin porta anoikti" i kati tetoio alla den exei simasia afto. Simasia exei oti einai ena tragoudi pou ta logia tou kati mou lene.

 

H ksaderfi mou den akouei tetoio idos mousikis (ellinika) alla apla tin anefera os tuxaio prosopo. Prosopika eixa vgei me kapoia parea prin 3 xronia+ kai eno ta pigainame kala me mia kopela gia 3 vdomades otan vgikame ekso ekane to lathos na anevei se trapezi kai apo tote den tin exo ksanadei!!! To apexthanomai opos kai su kai kobo apo parees me analoga idi ekfrasis!! Opos den tha pao POTE ekso me mia metalou, etsi den tha pao kai me skulou!!Gia mena einai 2 entelos antitheta kai extreme idi ekrafis kai kanena apo ta 2 den me ekfrazei!!!

 

Aptin alli afto pou PREPEI na katalaveis einai oti i kathe mousiki exei diaforetiko eidos ekfrasis!!

 

Sxetika me ta videoclips tis Vandi kai tis opoias Vandi, einai show. Alloste girizontai mono kai mono epeidi allios den ta paizei i tileorasi ta tragoudia, logo diafimisis klp. POULAEI. Sti metal ti na mou poun ta videoclips se kati dasi me blackmetalades vamenous me aspri fatsa, i px. to videoclip "my girlfriend's girlfriend" ton Type o'negative. ALLA OMOS POYLANE, kai polu kala kanoun pou ta vgazoun loipon!! Oso ilithio einai tis Vandi me tin pseftoxlida, allo toso einai kai afta kai ginontai gia to XRHMA!!!

 

Les oti uparxoun sigrotimata pou paizoun gia ta lefta (kai tous les kai mages kai apo pano, les kai aftoi den sta roufane apo pantou, sou valane kai prostasia sto teleftaio album oi maiden etsi na goustareis!!!) alla oti oi perissoteroi paizoun epeidi to agapane.

 

Ta lefta einai lefta, kai an paizane epeidi to agapane file mou as itan mages me arxidia na legane stis diskografikes oti aftoi APAITOYN ta album tous na kanane 5 evro teliki gia ton agapimeno tous metala pou tha to agorasei! Alla den to kanoun, giati an to kanoun den tha exoun diskografiki!!! Sosta?? Afou loipon to kanoun epeidi to agapane, as grafoun tis kasetes monoi tous kai na EINAI underground. Na moirazane ta tragoudia os mp3 apo internet kai na itan free opos free einai ta kommatia apo arketous kalitexnes. Oute videoclip na vgazane oute tipota, vlepeis i jazz na exei videoclip? H mipos i jazz den vgainei ap'tin psixi??

 

Ara loipon koita kai des oti ola ta gnosta group eginan gnosta logo manager, kai oi manager zitane lefta allios fevgoun! Xoris manager den uparxei i doksa kai xoris doksa den uparxei xrima! Eidika gia tous manowar mias kai tous exoume xilioanaferei, miksoklegontai se ena sigekrimeno tragoudi tous (Blow your speakers nomizo) oti den tous paizoun ta tragoudia sto radio kai stin tv...

 

Sovari mousiki ego theoro toso tin jazz oso kai tin klassiki, apo tis 2 aftes to metal alla kai polla alla idi mousikis exoun daneistei stoixia gia na ekselixthoun. To oti esu theoreis tin jazz pethameni einai ena allo thema to opoio den vlepo poia i simasia tou. Epanalamvano oti i metal exei kapoia sovara idi kai kapoia alla pou einai entelos anousia kai den prosferoun tipota opos to black pou proteimas. Ora einai na mou peis oti to black theoreitai sovaro kai aksioprepes na gelame mexri avrio!!!! H Jazz os jazz xaraktirizetai apo sovarotita kai orimotita os pros to sinolo tis kai oxi sta epimerous parakladia tis.

 

Polu fusiko einai loipon i jazz na einai safos pio sovari apo to metal!

 

Sta posts sou vlepo mia anisixia gia na apodeikseis kati to opoio ores ores einai sosto kai alles stigmes ginetai baxalo. Mas les se olous emas na pame na psofisoume (stis katigories sou tou protou post) kai etsi monos sou apoksenonesai kai apomononesai mono me tous omoious sou.

 

H ekseliksi tou anthropou omos erxetai mono me to na einai anoiktomialos kai na vlepei pera apo ta stena oria tis ekastote koinonias opou zei. MONO ETSI!!! Ara loipon ase tous allous guro sou (skulia, pop fans klp) kai koita esu pos tha veltiotheis kai oxi pos oi alloi tha prepei de kai sonei na erthoun me to meros sou i allios na pethanoun!!! Giati apti mia les osoi den akoute metal eiste asxetoi apo mousiki, les kai i mousiki einai to metal kai mono, kai apo tin alli otan kapoios paei na kanei kapoia prospatheia na valei to metal sta akousmata tou, tou les na paei na psofisei!!!

 

 

Oxi re file, den ginetai ksafnika na kopseis ta panta kai na akous mono metal, apo pou ki os pou? O allos (Dreamstorm, proti selida) sou leei oti sto pc tou tha vreis ta panta kai esu ton apopairneis!! Me pio dikaioma? Sou eipe oti einai metalas fanatikos? Sou eipe oti pistevei sto metal os ideologia?? Oxi, ara to na ton apokaleseis psefto-metaler einai anousio!!

 

Sinexos polloi sou exoume dosei epixeirimata kai su den ta dexesai legontas ta avasima kai asxeta!! E ma pos!?? Afou FYSIKA kai isxiei to "...etsi opws esy,etsi kai kapios allos..." pou leo, pos einai dunaton na les oti den isxiei?Alla mousika akousmata kai ideologies exeis esu kai alla ego! Kai allios vlepeis ti zoi esu kai allios o gios tou Kokkali, einai dinaton na einai ola isa kiomia?

 

Antikeimeniko einai to mavro, to aspro, to oti simera vrexei kai oti avrio exei ilio! Upokeimeniko einai to pos vlepei o kathenas ti mousiki kai ti "leei" mesa tou to ekastote tragoudi!!! Tora na mou peis oti i Black einai ANTIKEIMENIKA apolafstiki mousiki kai poiotiki... tote sorry alla ti idous epixeirima einai to DIKO SOY??

[Lucifer]

Μα καλά... Τι κάνετε..? Συγκρίνετε μουσικές?

 

Λοιπόν, τον παίρνετε όλοι, είστε γελοίοι όσοι τρώτε αγκινάρες γιατί είναι αντικειμενικά γελοίες και δεν έχουν τίποτα να προσφέρουν, εγώ εκτιμώ λίγο τις μπριζόλες που κάτι έχουν να δώσουν, και ας είμαι φανατικός της χορτόπιτας. Ώρα είναι να μου πείτε πως δεν σας αρέσει η χορτόπιτα, ή ότι το παστίτσιο δεν είναι ποιοτικό, γιατί θα σκάσω στα γέλια αφού δεν είναι θέμα ορέξεως αλλά αντικειμενικότητας.

 

Made my point?

[scyther666]

Katarxin goustarw na vlepw tsampouka kai megala posts..(sorry christina...tha prospathisw na aftoperioristw an kai ta greeklish toso kairo ta synithisa...nomizw poloi)

 

Alo rap kai allo rap dld?

malista kai afto itan poly kalo polaki....tha exw na lew..dld egw an kati den mou aresei sto metal (klapso-ICED mounides-EARTH) tha pw allo metal kai allo metal?...mpravo logiki...me epixirimata panw apo ola...Egw afto to lew "oti mas volevei"....

 

Sygnomi pou tha sou kanw aftin tin "apokalypsi" alla aftoxrimatodotoumenoi kalitexnes yparxoun akoma kai malista poloi apo aftous pigazoun apo ton xoro tou black metal gia to opoio den exeis idea...alla giati zisitame gia pragmata pou den gnwrizoume?

 

Oso afora to "aiwnio erwtima" eksakolouthw na gelaw giati 2 atoma exoun apopeirathei na apantisoun kai ta 2 exoun anaferei tin jazz stin opoia egw protos ekana anafora kai malista me ta kalytera logia....allos enas stin lista anamonis gia epixeirima...ela o epomenos...

Pia einai ta epixeirimata pou mou edwsan ?????

To "opws esy etsi kai o allos"? Me aftin tin logiki opws esy thewreis to kokkino xrwma kokkino etsi kai egw mporw na thewrw to prasino xrwma kokkino...den einai logiki afti...den exei kamia ypostasi.

 

Skepsou to eksis..egw prosopika otan tha paw sto studio kai tha ixografisw kati giati to goustarw tha plirwsw kapia lefta...an kapios to goustarei kai aftos giati na min me voithisei oikonomika va to ksanakanw? opote afta peri mp3 einai avasima....

 

Kai epidi exei arxisei na mou tin dinei afto to pragma....parakalw para poly min ksanapei kapios pws egw exw pei oti "opios den akouei metal prepei na pethanei,i pws einai asxetos me tin mousiki" an to vrei kapou kapios afto na mou to pei na zitisw dimwsia sygnomi kai na svisw to post apo prosopou gys afou akousw prwta oli tin diskografia tis vandi gia eksilewsi....

exw ksanapei...o kathenas mporei na akouei oti thelei kai oute tha ksekopsw me kapion gia tis mousikes tou protimiseis (antitha me sena polaki) ftanei mono na deixnei sevasmo gia kati allo Kai na exei to tharos na paradextei oti den tou kegetai karfi gia tin mousiki katheafti otan milame gia laika.....

 

Lucifer egw plewn exw vrei allo endiaferon se afto to thema (an kai pote den itan afto pou les)....exei dei kaneis to 14o episodeio tis 6is season tou SOUTH PARK?

Ekei to paw...

[scyther666]

Ολα αυτα περι υποκειμενικοτητας και του πως βλεπει ο καθενας την μουσικη τα ακουω αλλα δεν τα καταλαβαινω...

Εγω οταν βλεπω την μαπα τις καθε Βανδη/[insert famous rapper name here] και οταν ακουω την φωνη της καθε Βανδη/[insert same famous rapper name here too] βλεπω και ακουω αντιστοιχα την ψευτια και την υποκρισια πισω απο αυτο που πρεσβευουν και αμεσα με αποτρεπουν απο το να δεχθω οτιδηποτε μου πασαρουν αυτοι.

Τι μου προτεινετε γιατρε να κανω για να δω τα πραγματα με την πραγματικη τους μορφη?

Γιατι δεν εξηγειται αλλιως...ολοι μου λενε πως αυτο ειναι αρρωστια...κατι θα ξερουν αυτοι αφου επιμενουν και μιλανε και για υποκειμενικοτητα....

Βλεπεις που το παω? Σιγουρα οχι (αλλιως δεν θα λεγαμε αυτα που λεγαμε) αλλα εγω το λεω ετσι και αλλιως σε περιπτωση που καποιος καταλαβει το χιλιοειπωμενο...

Τωρα βαλε διπλα και το επεισοδιο του SOUTH PARK και ολοκληρωθηκε ο πινακας.....!

 

Πως με βλεπεις τωρα Christina?

[Lucifer]

ΜΕ ΠΟΙΟ ΓΑΜΗΜΕΝΟ ΚΡΙΤΗΡΙΟ ΣΥΓΚΡΙΝΕΙΣ ΤΗ ΜΟΥΣΙΚΗ ΣΟΥ ΜΕ ΤΗ ΜΟΥΣΙΚΗ ΤΟΥ ΑΛΛΟΥ ΓΑΜΩΤΟ?!? ΤΙ ΣΚΑΤΑ ΕΧΕΙ Η ΜΟΥΣΙΚΗ ΠΟΥ ΕΣΥ ΓΟΥΣΤΑΡΕΙΣ ΠΟΥ ΔΕΝ ΤΟ ΕΧΕΙ ΚΑΠΟΙΟΥ ΑΛΛΟΥ?! ΕΣΕΝΑ ΓΙΑ ΟΠΑΔΟ!!! ΜΟΝΟ ΕΠΕΙΔΗ ΣΟΥ ΑΡΕΣΕΙ *ΕΣΕΝΑ* ΣΗΜΑΙΝΕΙ ΠΩΣ ΟΤΙ ΔΕΝ ΣΟΥ ΑΡΕΣΕΙ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΚΑΙ ΠΟΙΟΤΙΚΟ!

 

ΕΛΕΟΣ ΓΑΜΩ ΤΟ ΞΕΣΤΑΥΡΙ ΜΟΥ! ΑΜΑΝ ΑΥΤΗ Η ΜΑΝΙΑ ΔΙΑΦΟΡΟΠΟΙΗΣΗΣ!

[dim_b]

Από την αρχή είχα αποφασίσει να μη συμμετάσχω σε αυτή τη συζήτηση γιατί είχα υποψιαστεί ότι δε θα οδηγούσε πουθενά (εκτός ίσως από καυγά), αλλά διαβάζοντας τέτοια σχόλια δε μπορώ να κρατηθώ...

 

Εγω οταν βλεπω την μαπα τις καθε Βανδη/[insert famous rapper name here] και οταν ακουω την φωνη της καθε Βανδη/[insert same famous rapper name here too'] βλεπω και ακουω αντιστοιχα την ψευτια και την υποκρισια πισω απο αυτο που πρεσβευουν και αμεσα με αποτρεπουν απο το να δεχθω οτιδηποτε μου πασαρουν αυτοι.

 

Όταν βλέπεις τη "μάπα" του Hetfield, του Ulrich, του Dickinson, του Ozzy ή οποιουδήποτε άλλου δισεκατομμυριούχου "χεβυμεταλά" δεν είναι το ίδιο;

[polaki]

i MTV Rap kai i afthentiki Rap einai safos diaforetiko pragma.. Epimeneis na min to katalavaineis.

 

Einai to idio pragma me to opoio simfonoume, oti i Metal einai diaforetiki apo tin "Manowar (kai loipa pozeria) Metal"...

Esu thes otan les oti akous metal o kosmos na min taftizei ti mousiki sou me tous Manowar sosta? Etsi loipon kai ego sou eksigo oti den prepei na taftizeis tin rap kai to hip hop me ton Eminem giati den einai xaraktiristiko deigma!!!!

 

Episis opos o aplitos alitis mallias pou vazei fotia stous kadous mas zitas na MHN ton eklamvanoume os ton "original" metala, etsi kai esu prepei na min eklamvaneis os original rap-fan kati mavra tipakia me bantanes sto kefali pou deixnoun sta erga!

 

Vevaios kai ksero oti i black einai kurios aftoxrimatodotoumeni, alla opos esu upostirizeis oti i metal einai aneksantliti klp, etsi kai ego sou leo oti to megalutero pososto tis metal paizei mousiki gia ta lefta (eidika otan ginoun gnostoi).

 

An thes na milame me statheri vasi pes mas sigekrimena poia idi metal milas, kai afinoume tin "alli" metal isixi afou den tha exei na mas pei kati. Sosta?

Giati kai oi pix laks file mou monoi tous siga siga ksekinisan otan kai paizane se kati mikra barakia gia gnostous kai filous prin vgaloun album prin tous mathei i mana tous!

 

 

Afta peri mp3 den einai kai toso avasima giati allo na xreoneis 6000 to cd kai allo 2000... Afto pou paradexomai einai oti polla group exoun ta arxidia kai lene oti oi manager tous zitagan malakies kai gi'afto alaksane diskografiki klp. Afto malista. Alla kai pali den mporoun kai den theloun na poun ston paragogo oti tha xreonei toso to album. Episis gia na katalavo, oi diskografikes den einai pou tous anagazoun na vgazoun album kathe X xronia?Kai polles fores epeidi den exoun ebnefsi mas kotsaroun kommatia tou 1800 pou kopikan apo paliotero album kai tous efxaristoume kiolas! (Dream theater Change of Seasons, pou kata t'alla tous theoro polu sovarous kai aftous kai ti doulia tous)

 

Sxetika me to kokkino oti to vlepeis prasino... Eipa kai prin oti uparxoun pragmata pou antikeimenika den mporeis na ta antikrouseis ektos an exeis axromatopsia!

 

To na mou peis oti to kokkino einai prasino einai psema, to na mou peis oti i power metal einai pio antipathitki apo tin black einai upokeimeniko, giati gia mena isxiei to antitheto!

[scyther666]

Den katalaves polaki...Den dexomai kati apo to metal kai to ypoloipo to petaw...to pairnw san genikoteri idea kai apo ekei kai pera krataw gia ton EAFTO mou oti mou aresei...den lew afto den einai meta giati afto einai skata...oute min metras to metal apo afto to pragma...yparxei mesa se afto den prokeitai egw na to vgalw apeksw...afto pou eipa einai pws me to na vrizeis tous manowar klp den voithas stin sizitisi giati den exw na apantisw panw se afto giati den me endiaferei...

 

Idia apantisi ysxyei kai gia tous typous pou akoune meta...o kathenas mporei na kanei oti tou goustarei aneksartita apo tin mousiki pou akouei..den nomizw oti sxetizontai amesa...an mi ti allo o kathenas einai diaforetikos.

 

Opote telos..milaw gia to metal se olokliro to fasma tou..apla einai adiko na anaferese mono se kati sygekrimeno giati to eides kapou...opote as min milame gia mpantes kai as milisoume gia mousiki..pola apo afta pou eipes an den anaferosoun se mpantes den tha estekan...(px afto me tin synavlia stin opoia btw den imoun stous WASP an milas gia aftous..ginetai kati paromoio edw kai kati xronia se mia alli mpanta...ekei imoun egw).

 

Tis times den tis kanonizoun oi mpantes...To posous diskous tha vgaloun kanonizeetai apo to symvolaio (pou sinithws einai psilopagida).Yparxoun 2 katigories 1)posa album einai desmevmenoi na vgaloun genika mesa se ena xroniko diastima, 2) gia posa xronia prepei na vgazoun albums...einai diaforetika

An pei i mpanta "emeis ta cd mas ta theloume 2000" ti tha pei i diskografiki? ok, no problem?

I mipws pernaei kai afto apo xeri tou sygrotimatos..i moni lysi einai na min kanei apo tin arxi to symvolaio.

 

Peri axrwmatopsias i kouventa...afto pou lew o xristianos einai pws i laiki mousiki einai oli stimeni gia ta fraga...afto einai ypokeimeniko? an nai giati?(kai min mou peite afta peri mpouzoukopop pou akousa giati me aftin tin logiki eipame to kovoume sta metra mas.ektos an sas aresei afto opote to pame allou)

Ase pou den exw pei pouthena "to metal einai kalytero apo tin laiki" i kati tetio...DEN SYGRINW TPT...

Afto pigene kai se sena lucifer...get over it.

 

Dim_b den prokeitai na apantisw pali sta idia pragmata

 

Lucifer ksanalew (kai sto idio post) pws den sygrinw tpt...twra esy lege oti nomizeis kai malista me caps...anaferw kapoia pragmata kai oli mou lene "den einai etsi" xwris na mou lene giati.Perimenw na ta akousw.

[AfterForever]

Παιδιά να κάνω μια μικρή (πλην όμως σημαντικότατη κατ' εμέ) παρατήρηση.

Πρέπει να διαχωρίσουμε κάποια πράγματα.

Αναφέρεστε στη λαϊκή μουσική. Προσωπικά δε μου αρέσει αλλά πρέπει να καταλάβουμε πως η μουσική που "ακούγεται" δεν είναι λαϊκή αλλά ΛΑΙΚΙΣΤΙΚΗ. Ο Πανταζής, η Άντζελα κ ο Στράτος Διονυσίου παίζουν λαϊκή μουσική θεωρητικά και οι 3. Προσπαθήστε να συγκρίνετε λίγο τους 2 πρώτους με τον τελευταίο και μπορεί να καταλάβετε τι θέλω να πω όταν προσπαθώ να βάλω όρια.

Παρακαλώ όπως συνεχίσετε τη συζήτηση

ΥΓ. Πιθανότατα να θεωρηθεί υποκειμενική η άποψή μου (99,9%) αλλά θεωρώ πως καλύπτω πολλούς με αυτό και πολλοί ίσως να τη νιώθατε απλά να μην την συνειδητοποιούσατε.

ΥΓ2. Μέταλ ακούω

[polaki]

Anaferthika kai stis 2 sinavlies, afto me tous wasp itan diaforetiko giati itan tou parelthontos (polu prin to 99). H sigekrimeni tou 99 exo faei kolima tora kai den thimamai pio sigrotima itan alla kai to meros pou egine!! Den egine sto Rodon, egine se ena allo pio mikro meros pou tora exo frikarei pou den thimamai to onoma tou! Telospanton!

 

H neo-laiki mousiki/bouzoukopop einai stimeni gia ta lefta kai epeidi kanei kefi, tosa kai tosa travame kathimerina kai psaxnoume aformi na xazo-gelasoume me ilithiotites kai ta vgazoume sta bouzoukia. Oxi ego prosopika alla polus kosmos.

Den antidro m'afto pou les, alla opos eipe kai o prolalisantas allo laiki paradosiaki kai allo Vandi. Den prospathisa pote na sou po oti i Vandi einai poiotiki os tragoudi, toso ta logia einai gia ta baza oso kai oti den kruvoun kan ena vathitero noima. Apla i mousiki afti einai ANALAFRI...

 

Apo tin alli omos i sigekrimeni mousiki DEN prokalei to geniko aisthima me oles aftes tis asximes figoures kai ta proklitika eksofula. Afto pou prepei na paradexteis einai oti uparxei ena attitude "fuck the system" poly entono sti mousiki afti, to opoio uparxei gia kapoio logo afou i kosmos einai skata, alla aptin alli eksoterikevetai me enan antiaisthitiko tropo, o opoios parapempei se alities!

 

Emena oti me vlepane me malia kai blouzes tetoies me theorousane aliti, xoris na me kseroun kai fusika eixan adiko giati mia xara paidia eimaste.:D Aptin alli omos ego tote iksera mia pou ntinotan stin kurioleksia san "epi xrimasi paredidomeni" (fili apo ti sxoli tou ksaderfou mou) i opoia an tin evlepes tha eleges oti tous "eksipiretei" treis treis!!! E kai telika i kopela den eixe paei me kanenan!!!! Omos kalos i kakos to parousiastiko metraei os proti entiposi kai etsi einai adianoito na nomizeis oti tha stamatisei pote afto.

 

Tha sou po malista xaraktiristika, oti afou ekopsa ta mallia to 98 sinexisa na akouo metal to odio fanatika (den akouga kanena allo idos ektos apo kati party klp pou kai pali den eftaiga ego) kai allaksa teleios to ntisimo mou.

 

E apo tote re su apo ekei pou kathe kainouria gnorimia pou ekana me antimetopize san parapligiko (eite gomena eite agori) ksafnika oloi me antimetopizan kirile!!! Kai me rotagane ti mousiki akous, tous elega mono metal kai mou legane "a ok kurile, ego akouo X Ψ Ω moysiki!". Kai den tous enoiaze!! Kai meta an foraga kai kamia blouza blind guardian i helloween (pio polu power akouga) to theorousane kai ENDIAFERON!!!

 

Afto to paradeigma einai xaraktiristiko kai den mporei kaneis na mou to antikrousei. H emfanisi paizei polu simantiko rolo gia tin proti entiposi!

 

 

Kai episis afou ta simberilambaneis ola ta idi metal mesa, den ginetai na kataliksoume kapou sxetika me to an einai aksioprepeis mousiki i oxi.

 

Kai afto to leo epeidi kapoia einai kai kapoia alla dustixos den einai!!! Giati ta black sigrotimata dustixos pos na to kanoume, den exoun aksioprepeia, toulaxiston oxi opos i leksi aksioprepeia erminevetai apo to 99,9% tou plithismou tis gis...

[Dreamstorm]

Από την αρχή είχα αποφασίσει να μη συμμετάσχω σε αυτή τη συζήτηση γιατί είχα υποψιαστεί ότι δε θα οδηγούσε πουθενά (εκτός ίσως από καυγά), αλλά διαβάζοντας τέτοια σχόλια δε μπορώ να κρατηθώ...

 

ego simeteixa stin arxi antitheta omos me sena ,aposirthika.mou thimizei tin kontra amd-intel,akri den prokeitai na bgalete ,o kathenas tha leei ta dika tou...re seis,akouste ti mousiki pou sas aresei...theleis na akouseis black??akou!!theleis laika??akou!!kaneis den prokeitai na sou pei tpt.

[scyther666]

O dreamsort katarxin na apw pws adika "aposyrthike" giati den katalave tin "kontra"...einai sizitisi..oxi kontra..toulaxiston etsi to thewrw egw.Oute prokeitai na tsakwthw me kapion oute na ton vrisw alla oute kai na ta paratisw giati den yparxei logos...

 

polaki xerwmai pou symfwneis pws i laiki mousiki opws parousiazetai apo tous swsies (arsenikous kai thylikous) tis vandi einai gelia,mi poiotiki,gia ta baza,xwris noima klp....

Pios o logos na sizitame to thema tote?

Kai kati teleftaio...den symperilamvaneis ton remo mesa se olous aftous? xaxa

To an einai analafri i oxi einai alo thema..ekei einai to ypokeimeniko tis ypothesis.O kathenas mporei na akouei oti goustarei alla efoson afti i mousiki katargei "kanones" opws askioprepeia kai sevasmos stin MOUSIKI kai se aftous pou tin eftiaksan tote ta atoma pou tin akoun me pio dikaioma tha krinoun MOUSIKA kati allo? me ti to sygrinoun? me tin fwni kai tous klapsomounikous stixous kapiou? Elpizw twra pou ksekatharisame kati na arxisw na ginomai katanoitos...i en logo mousiki den einai mousiki gia aftous pou tin akoun alla tragoudi.

 

I emfanisi prosopika thewrw pws paizei gia olous rolo alla to thema einai se pio epipedo..otan egw kapia stigmi tha kopsw ta malia tha to kanw gia allous logous...kai fysika to ntysimo mou den vriskw logo na to allaksw peran panta sygekrimenwn katastasewn...Gia to paradeigma pou aneferes me to oti kapioi evriskan endiaferonta kapia pragmata ksafnika tha se parapempsw sto post mou alla kai stin poly diaskedastiki tou apantisi apo tin Christina pou vrisketai stin 3i selida tou thread...koita kai pes...Nomizw oti anaferomaste sto idio thema..isws apo diaforetiki skopia giati egw epimenw pws afto ginetai mono kai mono logo vlakias orismenwn..Giati pios allos logos yparxei ? an i emfanisi dld (oxi aparetita ntysimo) orismenwn pragmatwn tous fenetai apokroustiki tote lypamai pou fovountai na psaksoun ta pragmata kai lypamai pou den mporoun na skeftoun parapera...An mou poun oxi den mou aresei den exw kanena provlima...afta einai ta oria tous (exoume oloi)..an mou poun endiaferon kai meta poly pou xestikan...tote afti einai i ypokrisia tous...

 

Ta symperilamvanw ola (akoma kai afta pou thewrw gelia) mesa sto metal giati 1)to metal exei perasei apo kapies dekaeties kai pragmata pou twra fantazoun ilithia kapote itan apodekta,2) opws exw ksanapei afti i mousiki gia mena eixei aperioristi thematologia kai epiroes kai den thewrw dynaton na mporw na ta dexomai ola san ton vlaka, 3)opws pantou sto sympan yparxoun aftoi pou me ton ena tropo i me ton allo tha kapileftoun idees kai nootropies gia na entaxthoun kapou kai fysika kapioi den tha katalavoun tin diafora....na anaferw ena paradeigma...oi iced earth (as kseftylistoun oso theloun) pote den mou aresan..tous thewrw eleinous,tipotenious,pseftikous kai ola ta kaloudia...Alla kathara MOUSIKA eitai mou aresei eitai oxi paizoun afto pou kata geniki omologia thewreitai metal...alla epidi egw eklamvanw tin mousiki san genikoteri idea den mou aresoun...katalaves?

 

Re polaki den thelw na sizitisw gia to black alla prokaleis re gamoto..Pes mou pws vlepeis to black esy....

 

PS:i synavlia egine 2001,kai an kai den egine akrivws afto pou eipes den diafwnw...mporw na sto aitiologisw afto alla mono se pm....

[polaki]

Ksekinao antistrofa kai ap'oso thumamai i sinavlia prepei na egine to 1999 (nomizo fevrouario i martio), to thimamai giati oktovrio efuga agglia kai ekatsa 4 xronia opote gia olo afto to diastima den iksera katholou ti epaize me sinavlies edo. Den exei simasia vevaia, apla to anafero giati exo faei psiloskaloma tora.

 

 

H Vando-mousiki den einai poiotiki me tin ennoia tis poiotitas os antikeimeniki poiotita, alla einai analafri, den noiotheis na se kataplakonei kai den prokalei stixourgika..

 

 

To oti oi alloi mou legane "a ok kurile" otan tous elega oti akouo metal kai me vlepane me emfanisi non-metal den simene oti tous endiefere na akousoun ti mousiki, opos oute emena me endiefere na akouso ti mousiki kapoiou px hiphop.

 

Afto pou anefera se proigoumeno post kai mou eipes oti den kano parees me atoma pou den exoun ta idia mousika gousta me mena itan lathos. Apla opos den tha mporeso na simbadiso me tin skulou giati tha mou spaei ta nevra opos tha thelei na sikothei sto trapezi na xorepsei kai tha me kanei na noioso rezili etsi kai den tha mporousa na imoun me kapoia metalou. Parea ekso apo club/sinavlies fisika kai den exo provlima na kano paidia me alla mousika gousta opos kai kano!

[scyther666]

Nai nai exeis dikio....itan 23-01 to swtirio etos 1999 imera savvato...to ksexasa kai piga kateftheian stin epomeni emfanisi tous....

 

H Vando-mousiki den einai poiotiki me tin ennoia tis poiotitas os antikeimeniki poiotita

popo...afto mou arese idietaira....einai kati pou tha elega kai egw...alla sygxronws tha evlepes kai mia ekfrasi eirwnias sto prosopo mou....den vlepw omws kala to diko sou....kati kalwdia mpainoun stin mesi...

To oti den prokalei stixourgika to vlepw me 2 apopseis:

1) einai anousio giati to "prokalei" tha mporousa na to erminefsw kai ws "den prokalei ton akroati na skeftei" opote apefthinetai se vlakes giati oute mousika exei tpt na prosferei.

2)ti sxesi exei to an prokalei stixourgika i oxi? kamia apo tis 2 periptwseis den apoteloun apolyto kanona gia to an kati einai kako i oxi....giati egw akouw komatia pou stixourgika einai koula...alla mousika asxoliasta kai to antitheto...

(min viasteis na peis pws to 1 antifaskei me to 2....koita to kalytera)

 

To oti oi alloi mou legane "a ok kurile" otan tous elega oti akouo metal kai me vlepane me emfanisi non-metal den simene oti tous endiefere na akousoun ti mousiki,

Esy den eipes oti tous fenotan endiaferon?dld pws tous fenotan endiaferon? to idio endiaferon px pou edeiksan oloi oi evgeneis otan protoeidan ton Christopher Lambert stin tainia "Tarzan"...san kati to "periergo"? (lol...wraio paradeigma)

 

Afto gia tis parees den diafwnw katholou me tin moni diafora pou egw den tha pigena eksarxis me kapion sta mpouzoukia px kai oute perimenw apo kapion allo na erthei mazi mou se mia synavlia...einai anousio kai ilithio....

asxeto alla kserw atomo pou tou dwthike i efkairia na paei se synavlia satriani kai malista tsampa kai sykwthike kai efyge sta 10 lepta.....efage to vrisimo....

(remos?)

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little people, little houses

happy living little lives

when they wake up with perfect makeup

it makes me sick

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[Xvipes]

Na pw kai egw kati?Egw prosopika akouw ola ta eidi mousikis,an kai tha mou peite oti ayto den ginetai,kai omos me tin dikia mou ideologia epanw sto thema mousikis ginetai.o kathe enas akouei ola ta eidi mousikis apla se kapoio sigekrimeno idos akouei perissotero.o logos einai oti den ginetai na se ekfrazi mono ena idos mousiki(egw to thewrw apithano).den mporw na akousw p.x house mousiki otan exw pathei kapsoura me mia gomena alla tha akousw to laiko mou 'i tin balada pou mou aresei kai antistixa otan eimai xaroumenos tha akousw house i' trance i' otidipote me allo me anebazei.ti thelw na pw?oti den mporoume na akoume ena idos mousikis oli tin wra kai kathe wra.i kathe mousiki(gia emena)akougete stin wra tis kai ayto giati to kathe idos sou bgazei kai analoga sinesthimata.scyther666, kai osoi alloi eiste fanatikoi sto metal,den exetai akousei pote alla kommatia ektos metal,pou sas aresan i' akoma ta latrepsate?(an mou peite oxi den prokeite na sas pistepsw).ayto ginetai antistoixa se olous mas.oi mousiki den einai gia sigekrimeno idos anthrwpwn alla gia sigekrimena idi sinesthimatwn(opoia kai an einai ayta)An kanw lathos gia osa lew tha ithela na mou to peite pote gia kati den eimai apolitos

 

p.s giati ta exetai balei oloi me tin trance mousiki.ti sas exei kanei?einai kai ayti ena idos mousikis kai gia emena arketa kalo(gia na min mperdeftoume pali otan lew trance ennow trance kai oxi uplifting i' psychedelic trance aka eyrwpes,israel.den lew oti giati einai asximes apla to anaferw gia na min pareksigithoume)

 

thanx