epote Δημοσ. 9 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Δημοσ. 9 Οκτωβρίου 2003 to topic ayto proorizete gia oles tis spoiler full sizitiseis pou tha prokipsoun gia to revolutions PROSOXI APO DO KAI MPROS YPARXOUN ANARITHMITA SPOILERS shoot away:P
privateer Δημοσ. 9 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Δημοσ. 9 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Paizeis me ta nebra mas? Dwse ola ta spoilers sto lao
epote Δημοσ. 10 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Μέλος Δημοσ. 10 Οκτωβρίου 2003 lol:P ************SPOILERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS************* why is the skies LOOKED scorched ? Pay close attention to Second Reniassance. The humans did indeed scorch the skies, BUT... when they got near 01, they couldnt because all of their craft was shot down by the machines VERY fast. Basically, they scorched other places on Earth, but not near 01 because the machines wouldnt allow it. However, they key word there is that they didn't "SCORCH" the skies... they just covered them with smoke. After years and years, the smoke began to wear off (which was bad because the machines didn't want their plan of control to be foiled), so in between Matrices (when Zion is being rebuilt by the previous One), the Machines re-smoked the skies. Kind of ironic. The machines basically "cloud" the vision of the humans like this. Neo isn't the first human to be in love, thats true, BUT, the entire purpose of the experiment was to make the "systemic anomaly" fall in "love"... touch the Source, and reload the Matrix (also rebuilding Zion in the process). Basically, if Neo chose to touch the Source, the machines would've recieved the emotion of "love". With every "Anomaly" that touches the Source, the machines learn more and more, hence becoming more human. Therefore, since Neo chose the other door, now the machines need to ONCE AGAIN destroy Zion and try again. Unfortunately for them, Smith is here... not to mention the Matrix is about to crash due to Neo's choice. The machines have no choice BUT to trust Neo to clean the Matrix of the "Smith Virus" and at last be forced to unite. The Second Reniassance isn't TOTALLY Bogus, but it was a program (movie, whatever), created by the machines and from the machine point of view. Watch it again and you'll notice exactly why its seemingly pro-machine, anti-human. The history isn't a lie, because most of the information is in fact TRUE, but the "PURPOSE" of making human slaves isn't what they want you to think. Check out my original post to find the truth... The reason the Architect said "despite my sincerest efforts he has been unable to irradicate it" is because he did NOT expect that the "systemic anomaly" would be as powerful as Neo was, to delete agents and cause a disruption in control. The very FIRST Matrix had no agents, because the agents were created when the machines learned about the anomaly's powers when the first "One" touched the source. Each "One" has become slightly more powerful. They simply expected a human with a programmed mind that was higher than a normal human, and who did not accept the code on the unconscious level. When he says "a lesser mind less bound by perfection", he speaks of Persephone. Why does she have a lesser mind? Because he f*cked up and kissed another human. Shes was originally not loyal to Mero (even though he cheated first), hence she isn't perfect. (personally, i wouldnt cheat on her... i think we can all agree that shes FINE AS HELL.) Trust im not here to lie... But i would like feedback to this. On a Personal, i sort of wish they made another Animatrix, explaining a few more things and telling more stories. That was a great idea. No Twins, No Architect in Revolutions... Sorry. I kinda wish Neo fought The Twins... that would be unbelievable.. but nope.. sorry In the first movie, when Neo did his little kamakaze move to Smith, he basically gave him a lot of his own code, which allowed Smith to make newer, more rational decisions, learn to copy files (aka cloning, which is sort of what Neo did), and become extremely powerful. It was the first time that an anomaly shared code with an agent. All agents are actually lesser versions of "Ones", but Smith has managed to break through the barriers of being "just a program", and has become a LOT more human. When Neo went into Smith, he slowly began to learn more and more about being a machine, even so far as to say that his brain COULD be part machine, at least from what i understand. Since Agents have the ability to send signals to 01 to deploy Sentinels, etc, Neo has the ability to rip them up and implode them as he sees fit. The mind of Neo is composed of what he knows from The Matrix, only difference is he is limited to what he can do in the real world because the real world doesn't follow the rules of a computer program. Neo can only have what i call special sight: he can sense machines and destroy them. He had no clue he could possibly do this until he inserted his hand INTO Trinity's code to pump her heart. That is when it came into fruition... I believe that the child must have some actual significance. Well, to kinda answer your question... a little bit of both. Some of you guys make a big deal about her being the "savior"... but shes not really. Shes only the "beginning". and ill give you a hint to her role: Look at the name of the movie.... "Revolutions" Think about it like this: "Re-Evolution" You'll see.... he he he he Why can Neo stop sentinals in the real world? To answer your question, the Oracle explains that when she talks to Neo. In the first movie, when Neo did his little kamakaze move to Smith, he basically gave him a lot of his own code, which allowed Smith to make newer, more rational decisions, learn to copy files (aka cloning, which is sort of what Neo did), and become extremely powerful. It was the first time that an anomaly shared code with an agent. All agents are actually lesser versions of "Ones", but Smith has managed to break through the barriers of being "just a program", and has become a LOT more human. The same can be said for Neo. When Neo went into Smith, he slowly began to learn more and more about being a machine, even so far as to say that his brain COULD be part machine, at least from what i understand. Since Agents have the ability to send signals to 01 to deploy Sentinels, etc, Neo has the ability to rip them up and implode them as he sees fit. The mind of Neo is composed of what he knows from The Matrix, only difference is he is limited to what he can do in the real world because the real world doesn't follow the rules of a computer program. Neo can only have what i call special sight: he can sense machines and destroy them. He had no clue he could possibly do this until he inserted his hand INTO Trinity's code to pump her heart. That is when it came into fruition... 1. how bad-@ss is the soundtrack for Seraph's death? classical? rock? techno? or what? 2. You can choose w/c stuff to spoil us with the next questions: 2a. Is Neo really gonna be blinded by Bane? 2b. What is the Kid gonna do? I thought he's gonna be a major Zionite fighter? 2c. What happened w/ the humans-as-batteries thing? Who made that up? 2d. How long was the movie? 2e. Why would the machines trust Neo to 'clean' the mess up? Do they want to be humans that badly? I mean, they can just have Neo kill Smith and then they kill Neo and kill everyone in Zion. 2f. Um....are we given a bit of a history about the previous "One"s? 2g. How much of the Zuperbrawl is a-la DBZ? Really? I just wanna know. 2h. Um...are you sure you're still holding stuff up that will still really surprise us on Nov 5? I'm kinda spoiled right now.. 2a. Yes 2b. He will fight in Zion, and raise the confidence of the Zionites 2c. The humans as batteries is just another measure of control 2d. the movie seemed about 2 hours and 40 minutes 2e. The machines have always wanted just this. You're right about what you say, it kind of confuses me too. 2f. A little of a history, but not the whole story (i wish, its VERY interesting to me) 2g. The Superbrawl is a lot like DBZ, only without the fireballs. BUT, a little tidbit. Smith and Neo throw objects like huge rocks and concrete at each other... its NOT just physical fighting (take that non-believers!) 2h. Yes.. specially the ending 1. Assuming you're read it, how would you rate the accuracy of the Dolan scriptment? 2. Why is Smith capable of FLIGHT in the Superbrawl, whereas he wasn't in Reloaded? 3. I remember seeing storyboards of Revolutions depicting Neo fighting Smith in a location with lots of TV's. What do those TV's show in the movie? (yeah, this is my pathetic attempt at 'testing' your validity) 1. Its pretty close... but hes missing a LOT of filler information and doesn't quite describe the so-called truth. By the way, the ending is pure bull. The kid doesnt become the architect.. in fact, the ending is well... VERY cool. You wanna be spoiled? Read the Bible very carefully... its VERY eerily familiar. 2. Smith has gotten a LOT smarter. With each person he absorbs, he gains in strength until he manages to achieve the level of the One. Like Neo, he didn't quite hone all of his skills at first, but slowly learned more and more. He and Neo are indeed equal, the Oracle reveals that. 3. I didn't see any TVs. Honestly... Maybe you saw a scene that was removed, or maybe they didn't put it in the version i saw.. Who knows... i know i dont have ALL the answers. Revolutions is one of those movies you gotta see multiple times to understand You seem to be alluding alot to the importance of Trinity. Some of the other cryptic posters have also said that Trinity is really important, and we don't realize it until 01. Mind telling us what is so important about Trin? Is she the Program Eve like it has been rumored? Trinity is important when it comes to Neo (But you already kinda know that). She isn't the program Eve, but because of her emotional connection to Neo, she is kinda important to finishing the path of the One. (i wont give out any more than that... yet) The best opportunity I see for you to "prove" yourself is to reveal the importance of the child...now...before more infomation gets leaked from somewhere else. Oh, and thanks! You dont have to believe if you dont want to. But the Child will be the foundation of the future.. Think REALLY hard... its not that tough to figure out what's going to happen. Let me just say this: The Matrix itself is the key to the future. just one question for ya...is it MWAM or no MWAM...cuz if it's not MWAM, you'd be my savior man, my own personal jesus christ No Matrix within a Matrix.... BUT.. there is a twist at the end about your mind and body separating like Neo's did. I wont say anymore yet, but ill say its possible for more than just Neo to do this... you'll see... The W. Bros. are geniuses! Now they were a little burned and then the machines are smoking the skies? The skies weren't burned, just smoked. The humans smoked them, but not BURNED. You cant really BURN a sky. But the Zion people are ignorant in figuring that out, which is why they are demised so many times. By the way, as for the Smith / Neo fight. A LOT happens, but im slowly giving out the info... not all at once.. so you can think about it, get excited, etc. So dont go crazy. I just wanna know what you thought of the ending. I'm not gonna ask how/if/why Neo dies, since I know you probably won't answer it anyway since you wanted something to be left a surprise, but I just wanna know if you thought the ending was "good"/worthy the story.....?? The ending is beautiful honestly. The ending is MORE than worthy. Read Revelations in the Bible for some clues.... but youve gotta be a BIG BIG BIG fan to figure it out. If you dont want to believe... then dont. Just remember... FREE YOUR MIND... Peace SPOILERS: I will not say who i am, but i will say that i have many friends in high... high places. Lies... Lies... Lies... apparently many fans have only taken the blue pill.. not the red... WARNING.....----> The machines have lied since the beginning. Revolutions will reveal the truth behind their intentions. Since the beginning, there is only one thing that the machines have wanted: to be accepted as humans... meaning they want to BE human. The machines wanted to feel emotion, they wanted to feel love... since the beginning. The Second Reniassance explains it all my dear dear fans... The skys were never scorched. The machines had access to solar power the whole time. Question is... why would they want humans as batteries? This clue is given out when the Architect hesitates, then says "There are levels of survival we are willing to accept. The machines never needed the humans, they simply wanted to feel love. So for the betrayal of the humans in the Second Reniassance (which is true), they needed to be punished. However, instead of wiping them out, The machines realized that the only way to get what they want is by using control to find the correct way. Hence, they created the Matrix. The Systemic Anomaly was an accident that the machines wanted to happen, discovered by Persephone, the real mother of the Matrix. The Merovingian and Persephone are two of the oldest programs within the Matrix. They have been there since the beginning, since the first Matrix.. the perfect Matrix. The original purpose of the Matrix was NOT to have a so-called "Zoo" for humans, but to have the machines discover love. Unfortunately, Persephone and The Merovingian did not truly love each other, but did stick together. The Merovingian and Persephone were supposed to create love, but ultimately failed and no program or machine was able to feel love because no human would accept the reality of perfect harmony. The Merovingian, in this Matrix, had the ability to twist the code of the Matrix, and create backdoors, etc. Thus the Merovingian and Persephone were targeted for deletion, but escaped. The humans inside of the first "perfect" Matrix had to be erased and they had to make a second Matrix, a dark world where many of the evil beings of the planet arose. In this world, Mero and Persephone hid from the system. Once again, the machines didn't find love in evil. Persephone then discovered exactly what love was... by kissing ANOTHER human. She takes the love code and presents it to the Architect, who finally stumbles on the answer. After the second Matrix failure, the third Matrix was created, this time with Persephone's discovery. Persephone loved the feeling of love, because she had felt it for so long, but Mero did not. The systemic anomaly occured, and all humans managed to accept this code, this reality. Persephone and the Merovingian gathered all of the deleted, rogue programs (from the second Matrix), and hid out in Club Hell. Persephone always kisses just to feel exactly what love is, because she is an intuitive program and enjoys the satisfaction. With each Matrix after the first, the machines needed to recreate this feeling of love, and each time it failed until we finally reached the 6th anomaly... Neo. Neo was in love.... and the machines and programs knew this, which explains why he chose the second door. You might be wondering.. well then what does "the child" have to do with anything? Well, the child is the FIRST actual program from the machine world to be born inside of the Matrix, and to not be created by the Architect. She was created from "love". The machines have realized exactly how powerful love is now, as it is affecting everything. The machines are closer and closer to realizing exactly what emotion and love is, and this will be the focus of Revolutions. Basically, the whole point is that The Machines want to live side by side with the humans in harmony, to BE human. Neo realizes this which is why he fights for both machines and humans against Smith in the Superbrawl (which will be one hell of a battle, wait till you see the unbelievable sh*t theyve got planned. In one scene, Smith slams Neo into a building and they do their "kung-fu" while Neo is trapped, then start fighting... LOTS OF DRAMA, FACE TO FACE). Patient.. the answers are coming.... I will post more spoilers soon... such as the meaning of Eyes of the Oracle, the importance of the Trainman, exactly what kind of program the Oracle and Seraph are, as well as some nice tidbits about the Superbrawl. By the way... Neo does NOT fight the Trainman. The Trainman punches Neo to keep him away from the child and her parents, which are on a train heading back to The Matrix from Mobil Ave. By the way, you guys are indeed right... Mobil = Limbo..." ***************END SPOILERSSSSSSSSSSSSSS********************** exei POLLA akoma sga sga:)
epote Δημοσ. 10 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Μέλος Δημοσ. 10 Οκτωβρίου 2003 lol privateer eisai o monos pou ta diavazei e? either way ego ta vazo:D ----------------------SPOLERIA------------------------------------------------------------ Why/how does Neo get blinded and what if anything does it have to do with The Merovingian asking for the Eyes of the Oracle? No, the eyes of the Oracle have nothing to do with Neo's eyes... The eyes of the ORACLE is SERAPH About Trinity, and, her link with Neo... you said that she's part of his path, we already know, but how exactly, it's a thing i need to know; i mean, is this by her death, if she dies? Is this because of her love for him? Are they humans? Is neo somehow program and human, or only human? Is their love a key? I cant tell you that yet... but love IS a key. Thats what the whole Matrix Trilogy is actually about. Remember the climaxes? Matrix 1: Trinity tells Neo she loves him, and he becomes the One. Matrix 2: Neo chooses Trinity over mankind, saves her life... cause he loves her. Etc... 1- Persephone! Hotter then Reloaded? 2- How long of a time is she in the movie? 3- Is she just in the Hell Club sequence? 4- Is she still smooching folks? 1 She is always hot... VERY HOT.. Nice Cleavage... i wouldn't mind sticking my floppy and "reloading" her... he he he 2 Shes in the movie for the first half 3 She is only in Club Hell 4 She doesn't kiss anybody in this movie.... though i wouldn't mind some HLA between her and Trin. 1. Do the twins appear in the movie, and if so do they fight neo/seraph 2. Is there a fight scene between neo and the train man (And by that i mean a massive fight , not like the fight between morpheus and the twins ) 3. What does the merovigian mean with the eyes of the oracle 4. Does he get the eyes of the oracle 5. Does persephone die 6. Is the zion siege as bloody as second rennessaince part 2 1. No Twins in Revolutions 2. Neo doesn't fight the Trainman. 3. (SPOILER The Merovingian needs the Oracle's sight, and that happens to be Seraph. Seraph has always been in the hell club. When he says that, he is not ordering Trin to GET them, he is ordering her to give him up, in which she does. Seraph is the Oracle's so-called "eyes" because he can jump through programs using backdoors, etc, and he has a strong sense of code (which is why he and the Oracle left a few minutes before Smith popped up in Reloaded). 4. Persephone APPEARS to die... but i honestly dont know. I can say that they dont show her after Club Hell 5. The Zion Siege is pretty massive. Lots of killing, but the difference between the two battles is that a lot more machines are taken apart in this one. Its pretty bloody, but not overly gory. What role does Zee have? Zee doesn't have a major role except just to help some survivors along with Link. How does the movie start? The movie starts off with Neo lying down and Trin looking over him, sort of like how Reloaded Ended. Then, after that scene, we see the three power lines in Neo's mind. do they really explain the oracle's change in appearance (assuming that it's because mero is hunting her down), or are they really trying to stick it to you by making you play through enter the matrix to get all of the info? does the metacortex/metacortechs company have any backstory/significance in the creation or maintenance of the matrix itself? does the movie set up this game to have an interesting story/plot/etc? i mean, surely there can't be 100% peace and harmony if you're going to be paying monthly to run around the matrix ducking agents and tearing stuff up. Yes they explain the Oracles change of appearance to Trin and Morpheus. Metacortex is not important, but it is seen during the Superbrawl. The end of the movie is one of those "We will not reveal the future, but we will give hope to the future" kind of thing. The main theme is "Hope". However, it has both its sad and happy parts. However, i feel as if you guys will walk out of the theatre with smiles on your faces. But i can honestly say this about The Matrix Online... i have NO CLUE about any info about the game... or even when it takes place. So i dont know. All i know is that it's suppose to come out early 2004.. and that i wanna check it out. Whats up with the helicopter scene? Is there a helicopter anywhere in the movie or not? No Helicopter Chase... Choppers were used in the filming of the Superbrawl to add special shots and visuals. But there is no helicopter scene. What is the ball of light that becomes a star in the Architect's monitors? Does it have anything in common with the bright light at the beginning of M1, the opening spiral of Reloaded, and the green flash seen in the Rev trailers? Is "the source" more than just a machine mainframe? Is "the source" the same for both man and machine? have no clue the significance of the light. It is not shown in Revolutions, so im guessing its just Neo reaching the source or some kind of symbolism. Its really never explained deeply. 'How is the fight where the guys go on the cieling' A) How do the go on the cieling, and I'm worried the cieling idea is cheesy and it'll be a bad scene. (no flamming please) Can u affirm if it's as good as the lobby scene in matrix 1 or even better. because we all know, that it's classic!!.. and if it can beat that. than I'm sold. The Hell Club entrance fight is pretty cool. They continuisly switch from ceiling to floor and vise-versa. Its a LOT like the Matrix 1 lobby scene, but ten times cooler. We finally see some more bullet-time scenes as tons of rounds are dumped. Its an incredible mix of martial arts and gunplay, and i absolutely loved it. The scene isn't cheesy, and its incredibly awesome could you AT LEAST post JUST 1 frame of the Workprint that you have to VERIFY that you are TRULY telling the truth about all of this. By doing so i guarantee you NO ONE will question your words PERIOD! I dont have a workprint, never claimed i had one. Trust me, if i had any sort of images or pictures, i probably would've posted a couple of them to juice your appetite (specially the incredible scene with Neo and Smith on the ceiling of the Metacortex building, Unbelievable). So i'm sorry, but i never had one. 1. What does Niobe do of importance in the movie? Niobi and Ghost help out big time during the machine invasion, dropping a bomb to knock out about 1000 squiddies, buying the Zionists some time. What is the name of the woman who fires the rockets and fights with Zee? Does she die? Didn't catch her name... she does die. -How does Seraph die? When Club Hell explodes, he is caught inside saving "the child", its parents, Morpheus, and Trin. Sort of like a sacrifice. -What is the function of the Trainman, and is he in fact in Club Hell? The Trainman is in club hell, but hes not in the trailers. He can move from Club Hell to the Subway, to Mobil Ave. The Trainman is the link between mind and body. The Loop Train is the link between one's mind and one's body in the Matrix. Since the Trainman controls time in the Matrix, only he can reach this point. -How does Ghost die? Ghost doesn't die -What do Smith and the Oracle talk about? Lots of Stuff.... but im not telling you yet... The Merovingian's code comes from the Architect. He wasn't made into a Rogue Program until the third Matrix (the one with the first anomaly). The code of Merovingian's program is still owned by the Architect, which he uses the skill of backdoors and the "bullet-time" powers of the first Anomaly to model the agents. Problem is, the agents can never be as strong as an anomaly because an anomaly is "only human", so his mind can extend past the laws of gravity, etc. The agents can only do this to an extent, because they still do not understand the function or have solved the mathematical error which makes up the "One". Until they do that (which they wont, because even Machine's arent perfect), they wont be able to create a perfect agent. The only agent close to being perfect is Smith, and thats because he is nolonger a part of the system, due to his deletion by Neo in The Matrix. Hopefully that answered something... Who or What is the Trainman? From what i know, the Trainman is a program very similar to the keymaker. The keymaker had the ability to unlock doors and backdoors within the Matrix's programming, as well as opening the door of light for The One. The Trainman is indeed loyal to the Merovingian, but is in fact secretly aware of the crashing of the Matrix and that he too must protect what matters most: The future. The Trainman controls time within the Matrix, sort of like how you clock a computer. The LOOP train is the only means of travel besides the hardline (which Neo can't use), to get from the Matrix to a mind. Mobil Ave exists inside Neo's mind... a place where time doesn't exist. The Trainman takes "the Child" and her parents to the Hell Club to escape after explaining a few things to Neo. Neo tries to stop him because of his curiosity, sort of "trying" to use his One Powers (which is pretty funny), but realizes they are useless and the Trainman punches the heck out of him, knocking him back. After the struggle in Hell Club, The Trainman guides Trinity onboard the train to meet Neo, and to awaken him to reach his body again. 1. "He fights for us" who is morpheous referring to? 2. What relavence does 'the kid' not the child, the kid the one who freed himself from the matrix, have to do with the story. According to empire if there was a matrix four it would revolve around him so what is this super twist? 1. (SPOILER) Morpheus is referring to.... "The Kid" 2. HAHAHA. Wouldn't you like to know... I think i just gave out a hint with question 1, and i wont say anything else about the Kid's until a few days pass... so dont ask. (However, speculate if youd like) I'd just like to know one thing, what did you think of the film? Was it better than you expected, better than Reloaded? Will we be satisfied? Unbelievable Movie... there was only one major "Matrix Kung-Fu fight scene" (as opposed to the three in Reloaded), but it kicked soo much a**, that there was no need for another. Bullet-Time is back, and used a lot more. Lots of action, thought-provoking, and visually unbelievable. Fans of Anime (Japanese Animation), such as Serial Experiments Lain, DBZ, Ghost in the Shell, and Yu Yu Hakusho will flip out (because the movie sort of takes ideas from each one). 1) Is anyone in zion not what they seem to be. Either a traitor/program/older than this incarnation of the one? 2) You said Trinity has some correlation of machine/human/program. Can you explain more about what goes on with that?? I'm guessing her death somehow motivates Neo to make the end decisions he does. 3) Does the child take over the running of the Matrix at the end of the movie? 1. (SPOILER): Everybody in Zion is normal, except for The Kid. There is one sort of "betrayal"... but it comes from jealousy and not from any sort of alliance to the machines. I wont reveal any more yet. 2. Yup, youve got it... only thing is... she doesn't exactly die... 3. No, she doesn't. She is only the foundation... another character takes over the running of the Matrix. What are the origins of the Merovingian, and is he a prior version of the anomaly (i.e. a former "One"? I already explained the Merovingian in my very FIRST post... As for the child question... they have to leave because nobody can be left alone in Mobil Ave with a mind, in this case Neos... not even the Trainman. Its one of those "Matrix Laws". He has to take the child out so that he can leave to Club Hell. He then uses the train to bring Trinity to Mobil Ave to get access Neo. how does the Morpheus/Niobe relationship conclude? Ill spoil that VERY soon... happy,sad or no change? Happy... with a bit of sadness Does LOCK die? That is part of the spoiler... What does the KID end up becoming? Something special... but NOT the leader of the Matrix Why is he giving a Speech to Zion? Prepare them for the Machins How cool was the Smith/Oracle scene? Very cool... very informative the V-code in the trailer. was that Smith taking over Oracle? No.. thats the Oracle activating her self-deletion lol anymore cameos from crew members in the Movie? ala bill pope playing secruity gaurd I didnt notice... If Mobil Ave. is inside Neo's head (which was my theory! ), then how in the heck did Rama and his family get inside? It appears that Neo wakes up on the floor of the Mobil station, with the child standing next to him. So she is already there. How? Or, more importantly ... why? They never explained how, but my guess is that they were brought by the Trainman. The child is there first, but they are all there, you just cant see them on screen until the dialogue with Neo / child is finished. Mobil Ave is pretty big... sort of like a real subway station. Based on the info I read, Mobil ave isn't so much in neo's head but actually a gateway between his mind and the matrix. an entry point to access the matrix wireless using brainpower. Also to add, I think the girl is there to meet people who can enter the matrix without being hardwired in, since that seem to be the next step in the evolution of the matrix. Youve got it on the head... Every Program has a purpose... a job. The child doesn't have a job, but she does have an obligation. 1. Does Bane-Smith re-enter The Matrix? 1. Bane does not re-enter the Matrix... there is no need... Two reasons: 1. He was weak, his mind was strained, used up all of his power 2. He was using his machine power.. which is something his body is not accustomed to.. sort of like how his eyes hurt when he first used them... are there any fights in the movie that we havent predicted or are not shown in the trailers/commercials? and if so, whos fighting and where? Yes, there is... in fact.. two MAJOR ones.. with main characters... but i wont spoil them yet... I hope ive helped.... Thank you to those who took the red pill.. as for those who put the blue pill.... stay in wonderland.... hOW ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF INFO ON WHAT HAPPENS TO MORPHEUS, HE WHO'S DREAMS HAVE BEEN SHATTERED?? Morpheus fights in the war... and... something else.... which ill probably spoil tommorow.... How does the movie start? Exactly where Reloaded ended... What are the new special effects? Well, improved Bullet Time, as well as unbelievable visuals used during the Superbrawl and the Machine City.... it actual LOOKS real... CGI has been fully mastered. Lots of movies will follow suit i predict... Will we be suprised as in, did the tv spots or trailers really show any of the cool scenes? There are LOTS of cool scenes.... What is the climatic turning point of the movie that everyone will gasp at, and isnt shown in the trailers. Kinda like M2's Architect scene? There are quite a few... specially the surprise climax of the Superbrawl.. the Betrayal of a supporting character.... and the revealed information... What is Revolution's 'Architect Scene'? When Neo speaks with the Machine Ruler and how exactly did you see this? Not on computer, on an EARLY Digital Viewer Ive given enough evidence that i have. Do you really theyd let me take pictures? Open your head bro.... i shouldn't even be leaking this information.... How the heck can i take a picture? Give me a break... The Movie is STILL in post-production... they might add to it by the time it comes out... im talking about the version i saw.... Dude, if its illegal to bootleg a movie in Theatres.. how the HELL am i gonna be able to take a picture of a movie that the Wachowski's are trying their a**es off to keep unrevealed.... Give me a break and wake up.... __________________end spoileria____________________________________
LL_NEO Δημοσ. 10 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Δημοσ. 10 Οκτωβρίου 2003 (personally, i wouldnt cheat on her... i think we can all agree that shes FINE AS HELL.) join the club 1- Persephone! Hotter then Reloaded? 2- How long of a time is she in the movie? 3- Is she just in the Hell Club sequence? 4- Is she still smooching folks? 1 She is always hot... VERY HOT.. Nice Cleavage... i wouldn't mind sticking my floppy and "reloading" her... he he he 2 Shes in the movie for the first half 3 She is only in Club Hell 4 She doesn't kiss anybody in this movie.... though i wouldn't mind some HLA between her and Trin. 1. Όπως προείπα join the club .... and wait for your turn you mf :evil: 2. OOOOOOOOOOΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕ ΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕ ΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΟΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΛΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕΕ 3. Μόνο? :? :roll: 4. Ιερόσυλε Does persephone die Persephone APPEARS to die... but i honestly dont know. I can say that they dont show her after Club Hell Αν όντως αυτό συμβαίνει έχω να ρίξω και αμέσως μετά να ακούσω πολλά καντήλια στον κινηματογράφο.... Και γω το διαβάζω epote απλώς δίνω ιδιαίτερη βαρύτητα σε συγκεκριμένα κομμάτια όπως κατάλαβες
Επισκέπτης Δημοσ. 10 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Δημοσ. 10 Οκτωβρίου 2003 epote, θα σε φάω!!! Είσαι η αιτία να κινδυνεύω να με πάρουν χαμπάρι ότι διαβάζω ένα αρχείο txt παρά να δουλευώ! Πέρα από την πλάκα, μιλάμε ότι αυτό το θέμα/spoiler "ξεχηλίζει" στο μέγιστο βαθμό. Πολύ ζουμί βρε αδελφέ!!! Αυτά που λέει ο τύπος έχουν μία βάση και κολλάνε μεταξύ τους. Και μην έχοντας άλλη έκδοση του τι θα γίνει στο Revolutions, την δέχομαι σαν την πιο πιθανή! 2 ώρες και 40 λεπτά!!! 160 λεπτά ταινία; Ας βάλει κάποιος λάδι στην κατσαρόλα για να φτιάξουμε μπόλικα ποπ-κορν .... 8)
epote Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Μέλος Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 ***************spoiler pou DEN einai sta trailers!prosoxh!****************** Now i will proceed to kick it off by spoiling a scene that is NOT in the trailer, just to prove those who don't believe me wrong. Now i will resolve the Niobi / Morpheus situation: During the raid on Zion, after Niobi and Morpheus return to the core of Zion, Lock appears and questions the fact that the two have been together during the entire situation, and how he disowbeyed an order. Niobi tells him that nothing happens, but Lock's ignorance and anger takes over him, and while Morpheus has his back turned, he attacks him. This happens in the cockpit of a ship, so nobody else sees this. Morpheus and Lock fight each other, and Lock gains the advantage by blasting him with one of those electro-guns into his back. Lock questions Morpheus' faith in "The One", and mocks him for his false beliefs. Lock blames Morpheus for all of the time wasted with Neo, and insults him, calling with worthless and a bunch of other names. They continue to fight while Niobi pleads for them to stop, trying to split them up. Morpheus is getting pounded until Niobi picks up the electro gun and blasts Lock, showing that she truly loves Morpheus. Morpheus then proceeds to pound Lock down with punches (very cool real world fight). Niobi helps Morpheus up and they embrace. The scene is eerily similar to the Cypher situation with Tank in Matrix 1, only with more of a struggle. This sequence was about 6 minutes long.... but very cool. You should know that this has been building since earlier in the movie when they get into a heated argument as to whether Neo and Trin should leave for 01. After Niobi and Morpheus embrace, and they rush back to Zion and notice that the machines have ceased-fire, as well as the humans, which is confusing at first. They enter a room with the Kid and many others and watch Neo approach Smith... and.... well.... The Superbrawl begins. Clear Up a Few Simple things: -- No Architect or New Agents in Revolutions -- Cypher is DEAD... -- Tank is DEAD (though i wish he wasn't, he was cool) -- No Twins -- The Kid and The Child are two different things, and they are both important -- The movie is about 2 hours and 35-40 minutes -- Zion DOES put up a heck of a fight -- Ghost does not die or betray -- Trinity is not pregnant -- Smith does NOT take every single being in the Matrix, just every human connected and SOME programs. Some programs actually hid, Like the Child and her parents ________________end spoiler_________________________ paides exei akoma:P
HaPagan Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Ποπο ο μόνος τρόπος να τα διαβάσω όλα αυτά είναι να τα μεταφέρω στο word να τα εκτυπώσω και μετά να κάτσω να τα διαβάσω με την ησυχία μου . Αλλά προς το παρών δεν τα διαβάζω γιατί θέλω να διατηρηθεί η μαγεία της ταινίας !!
sornok Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 kserei kaneis thn imerominia sth opoia tha vgei telika ? matrix kai ta myala sta kagkela
Exoskeletor Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 kala den mporo na katalabo pos eine dinaton na iparxoun atoma pou na ta mathenoun ola ayta kai na ta diabazoun..afou meta kserete ti tha gini ti nohma exei?
epote Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Μέλος Δημοσ. 11 Οκτωβρίου 2003 kserei kaneis thn imerominia sth opoia tha vgei telika ? matrix kai ta myala sta kagkela 5 noemvriou kala den mporo na katalabo pos eine dinaton na iparxoun atoma pou na ta mathenoun ola ayta kai na ta diabazoun..afou meta kserete ti tha gini ti nohma exei? ego pali den mporo na katalavo ti douleia exeis esy se ena thread pou exei grammeno epano SPOILERS... btw, oi arxaioi ellines IKSERAN thn istoria tou theatrikou PRIN to doun oste na mporesoun na estiasoun sthn ypokritikh thn skinothesia kai ta pio adiorata minimata pou prospathei na perasei o tragikos poihths. ayto tous edine thn dinatotita na krinoun kalitera thn parastash kai na amvathinoun perisotero oste na mhn spane to kefali tous prospathontas na katalavoun ti akrivos egine se ekeinh thn senariakh anatroph hanontas meta thn mish parastash ayrio tha postaro kai alla stay tuned paraklhsh, osoi den thelete na diavazete spoilers MHN mpainete. an thelete na shzitisoume ta kaka tou na diavazeis spoilers anoixte allo thread
Exoskeletor Δημοσ. 12 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Δημοσ. 12 Οκτωβρίου 2003 ego den blepo mia tenia gia na thn krino file opos oi arxeoi..protimo na spao to kefalh mou..as mhn mou apantages na mhn ksanaegrafa..
epote Δημοσ. 12 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Μέλος Δημοσ. 12 Οκτωβρίου 2003 ego den blepo mia tenia gia na thn krino file opos oi arxeoi..protimo na spao to kefalh mou..as mhn mou apantages na mhn ksanaegrafa.. akrivos, emeis th vlepoume opos oi arxaioi, ksekola loipon kai kane mas th xarh
epote Δημοσ. 12 Οκτωβρίου 2003 Μέλος Δημοσ. 12 Οκτωβρίου 2003 more!!!:D _______________________SPOILERS_____________________________________ kcneo2002: how do the guys fight upside down in club hell? The Matrix is crashing, therefore the control of the way gravity works is screwed up am i close if i say that the little girl free's all the humans who want to be freed but since their is choice, some humans decide to stay in the matrix? Sort of, youre very close Neoslimdog: You say that Persephone is really the 'mother of the Matrix' that the Architect is talking about. Now, if that is the case, then how come The Matrix considers her to be a ROGUE PROGRAM? Nobody every said she was a Rogue Program. But i guess she is considered that because she is not bound by any rules and she is not forced to complete a certain task. She is free. If she is a good program, why is she bound to stay with the Merovingian? She loves him, and that is what this is all about If she knows that Neo is the one that will bring change (since she kissed him, she would know that he was the first Anomaly to love,etc.), then how come she says, 'Such a thing is not meant to last'? Im not sure, but im guessing its foreshadowing the revelation of the split between Mero and Persephone. AgtSmith: Thank You Union: Yup.. youve got it. Seraph dies after Mobil Ave. mastervampire: 1. is EVERYONE in the matrix taken over by smith (all the humans) cause i dont see how he can spread over the whole world. what about people up in the mountains? (yes there are mountains as we saw when neo was stuck in M2) Im not sure, but they do show quite a lot of people being taken over. When Neo speaks to the machines, they say that Smith has commited a "Hostile Takeover of the Matrix Network". Im not sure exactly what that means but I assume its at least every human in the main city. 2. What are the agents doing about smith? They can't do anything 3. Do we see any agents try to put up a fight or run from smith? Yes, and Smith disposes of them quickly. Its really not a fight, but more of a cameo. Smith just does his assimilation trick to quickly get rid of them. jayDarrell: That is footage of a commercial, not of the movie. Im not sure what the commercial is, but it is most likely a part of the Matrix Revolutions ad campaign. Inconys: In Mobil Ave. when Neo awakens......Why does he have diffrent clothes on, like mero, instead of his super-perist coat? The Merovingian is holding him captive within his own mind, aka Mobil Ave. He makes the rules, and the programs, but doesn't control Neo's own consciousness. LastWunLeft: Yes, it is true crahan: 1) What happens to the kid (Popper) following Neo around in Reloaded? Is he in Revolutions and what is his roll? The Kid becomes a major player in the battle for Zion... and... well you'll see..... Something Else 2) What is the scene with the person sitting on a chair being surrounded by Smiths? That is the Oracle self-deleting herself so that Smith cannot copy into her Jericho: Yes.... pretty much NeoMaul: Shes pretty hot... Thematrixhasme: Is Trinity a Program created so that the One would fall in love?? No, its honest true love. Her fate however... thats different Or does she get "taken over" by a machine? No... Snowbear: What debt does Seraph have to the Oracle that he is prepared to die for the cause? Instead of working for the Merovingian (which is what most rogue programs do), he decided to align himself with a program which is trustworthy and pure If he can protect the Oracle, then why was he afraid of deletion by agents? He can take on one agent... but most likely not three And why does the system need angels? He isn't an angel, but he is a ROGUE PROGRAM. Rememeber what the Oracle said, when a program becomes Rogue, it takes the form of an Angel, Werewolf, Ghost, UFO, etc. Seraph is an angel, hence the gold code. Were the machines guiding the humans, before they realised that the agents were better at keeping the humans under control..? The agents were brought in on the fourth Matrix (after the first anomaly touched the Source) to control the humans. The first and second Matrices were sort of like heaven and hell, so there was no need for Agents. Answers: im not answering the "flamers" because it doesnt matter if you don't believe or not, i will answer the question as long as it is good. Unfortunately, the non-believers dont ask questions, so i have no reason to answer them. cohma: It does not affect the inwards of Club Hell, only the lot and entrance way. However, its basically how the gravity works at the time. It goes up and down, and sometimes it switches. Trinity is affected by it, but its not activated. So like, its completely random as to how the gravity works. Nephil: Exactly, thank you for the correction. As for the Merovingian question, its hard to figure out his motives, but im guessing he just wants money and power. He is rogue, so he really has no true purpose anymore except to boss people around. jesuscigarettes: It IS ok to be skeptical... it IS ok to be a non-believer. I dont really appreciate your jackass comment, cause ive been darn nice to everybody here. verbalkint: How does Mero have control of Neo's mind? Trainman controls his mind... Mero controls Trainman Do they explain exactly how Mero comes to capture his mind, because I thought Neo was too powerful to be overtaken? Neo is too powerful, but in Mobil Ave., he has no power how did you managed to see a copy of revolutions? connections who kills Seraph? self sacrifice in Hell Club mero/persephone dies? Im not sure, but they dont show them again. I would assume wuts the coolest line you heard from rev.? I dunno, but here are a few memorable ones "Given up already Mr. Anderson? You're just like every other human being... worthless... a plague..." -- Smith "I refuse to be bothered any longer by these miniscule programs" -- Merovingian how do you put caramel in caramilk? Im not sure, but if it were in The Matrix it would be program Do you have a million buck to give away? not to give away nehs162: In the movie, when the woman is examining Neo's wave lengths, what does she say to Trinity about them? She explains that she has suffered a unique coma and it appears that his brain patterns have completely been altered in reverse, as if his brain were stuck in time (which he sort of is). What is with the scene in the trailers were we see trinity run up to neo and hug and kiss him? That is the reunion scene in Mobil Ave. It will suck to see you go, but hey, its been fun. Try to stop by whenever you can... rzasharp: Oh really? Who am I? What r my initials? B211: Is what I as even will easily understand the whole after Revolutions? Will the message be clear and I would include/understand the whole thanks to Revolutions? The message will be clear... ETM and The Animatrix is simply bonus stuff for the hardcore fans. I sort of enjoyed them though, and i really wish they made more games and animes. I will be busy most of the day, expect maybe a new spoiler tommorow ______________end spoilers____________________________________________
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