The Matrix Reloaded - Full Spoilers Topic

[Guest1981]

Simera akousa diafores erminies kathos sizitousa gia to matrix kai emeina anaudos..Den katalava apolitos tipota apo tin tainia.Tha tin ksanado polles fores sigoura.!!!

Kserete mipos KAPIO SITE me tin erminia?Diladi epeksigisi ton legomeno tou arxitektona..pou pistepste me leei para polla asxeta an den ta katalavame oi perisoteroi.

 

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[angelob7]

Καλά η ταινία είναι πολύ μπροστά.Όταν πήγα σπίτι σκέφτηκα μήπως όλα αυτά που ζώ είναι εικονικά.Θα μας τρελλάνουν οι τύποι.Πάντως πιστέυω ότι είναι Matrix within the Matrix και ο Neo μόλις το κατάλαβε και είναι έτοιμος να κάνει την "υπέρβαση" στην επόμενη ταινία.Τέλος,κάτι τρελλό που σκέφτηκα(αν πάρουμε σαν δεδομένο ότι έχουμε Matrix within the Matrix-που για μένα είναι σίγουρο) είναι ότι ο Μορφέας είναι πρόγραμμα που έχουν φτιάξει οι μηχανές,το έχουν βάλει στο πρώτο matrix κάτι σαν δικλείδα ασφαλείας ώστε να έχουν έλεγχο και στο δεύτερο matrix(Zion).Ο Μορφέας ήταν αυτός που άφησε κάποιον από το πλήρωμα να μήνει πίσω και τέλικα να τον χρησημοποιήσει ο Agent Smith ως back door και να μπεί στην Zion( ενώ είχε εντολές να μην μείνει κανένας πίσω),είναι ο μοναδικός που πίστευε για τον προφήτη που θα έσωζε τους ανθρώπους(και προσπαθούσε να πείσει και τους υπόλοιπους).Ο ρόλος του είναι ότι και στο within matrix(π.χ. Zion) πάντα η κατάληξη θα είναι η ίδια (και τις 5 φορές)πάντα οι άνθρωποι θα φτάνουν στο ίδιο σημείο,μέχρι που ο Neo........

Όλα τα περιμένω πλέον.

[klark2000]

den nomizo oti isxiei auto pou les gia ton morhea. ean prose3es thn antidrasi tou molis kaike o navouxodonosoras, i akomi sto matrix (to prwto) pou eixe dwsei mexri kai tin zoi tou gia na sosei ton neo kai katapektasei tin zion. Epeisis ean eides sto telos aporei pou den eginan ta pragmata opws perimene(na sothei o kosmos). Kai tote einai pou tou e3igei o neo pos exoun ta pragmata.

[Toufas]

o morfeas me afton pou epiase o agent smith den eixane sxesi..an itan o tipas pou pige na skotosei ton neo tha itan sto skafos tou kai oxi se allo

[Jastonas]

Oh yes..... allh mia pshfos gia to oti o morfeas einai just a human..!

loiponnnnnnnnnnnnnn! exw na pw kati akoma.... pwpw olo apokalypseis eimai o pousths...

ARchitect - Oracle. Giati o arxitektonas milaei toooooso perierga? einai kolpo gia na mas mperdepsoun? pisteuw oti einai kati pio psagmeno.... 8elei apla na mas deiksei pws einai mhxanes! pou 8eloun na ta kanoun ola teleia, k akoma k h ekfrash tou ginetai xrhsimopoiwntas tis KATALLHLOTERES-DYSKOLOTERES-PSAGMENES lekseis..... anti na milhsei ...... APLA! apo thn allh.... h oracle einai kati pio an8rwpino, k pisteuw kati isws anekshghto! kati san na leme.... architect kai oracle einai ena k to auto! apla o arxitektonas einai h 8eikh fysh k h oracle me an8rwpinh fysh.... kati tetoio telospantwn!

dysthxws pote den hmoun kalos sthn ekfrash-ek8esh.... elpizw na ginw toulaxiston en merei katanohtos!

[Chupacabra]

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally

perfect, it

was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its

monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me

now

as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being,

thus I

redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the

varying

grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by

failure. I

have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it

required

a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of

perfection.

Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program,

initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche.

If I

am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

 

Neo - The Oracle.

 

Nomizw edw o Arxitektonas e3igei ka8ara ti einai i Oracle...Einai apla ena programma me "dias8isi", pou ftiaxtike arxika gia na ereunisei kapoies ptuxes tis an8rwpinis psuxologias, kai epeidi itan katwteri apo ton Arxitektona, mporese na katalabei kalutera tin an8rwpini fusi.

[irreversible]

loipon guys molis eida tin tainia kai diabasa prosextikotata oles tis apopseis. I theoria gia matrix within matrix fainetai poli logiki alla.... an itan matrix within matrix o architect kai genika ola ta progrs tou matrix de tha mporousan na ftasoun sti zion pou itan kai o apoteros skopos tou matrix 1? na broune ta codes? giati o architect pou stin ousia einai kai aytos kati san programma na min eixe dosei ta codes sta agents gia na pane sti zion, i an oxi aytos kapoios allos? diladi na prospathoun na pane sti zion etsi apla gia na ginetai i tainia ligo koulo mou fainetai, tespa apopsi mou!!!! pisteuo oti to real world ontos uparxei. to oti ao architect tou leei oti prepei na dialexei anamesa se trinity kai stin pigi isos kai na einai kapoio kolpo (xero arketa kouli ekdoxi alla paizei). otan tou milaei tou leei pos an paei stin pigi i zion tha einai off, diladi kanenas apo tous proigoumenos chosens den pige, i kai na pige katastrafike teleios o kosmos kai xanaegine apo tin arxi? den xero tha deiksei!!1

to oti o mpein einai agent smith katanoito, kai to pos ginetai na mpike sti zion isos (pou fisika de pire anthropini upostasi) to apodido se ayto pou eixe pei o morfeas sto 1 otan to rotise o neo ti ginetai an pe8aneis sto matrix : the body can't live without the spirit , opote o smith to mono pou exei katalabei apo to mpein einai to mialo.....

a sto telos pou o neo stamataei tous bombes- frourous antilambanetai oti exei kai dinameis sto real world (den stamataei tis bombes frourous toa allo ploio,pisteuo, dioti einai bombes kai de stamatane me emp kai ta loipa allios kai to navouxodonosor tha tis eixe stamatisei) tespa lisi ton aporion en anamoni tou revolutions

[ggeorgee]

kai ego to eida shmera. To matrix se matrix den to phra xampari alla exei ena nohma allios o neo einai theos kai epembainei ston real world.

 

De thelo na po giayta omos.

To ergo exei kala nohmata alla einai kourastiko.

klotses mpounies.... kai ekei pou les "ante nte... tha doume ypothesh?", bgainoun kai alla "korakia" kai pali klotsies kai mpounies.

Oloi edo mesa den dinoun shmasia sth drash kai ayto einai to kalo sto matrix. Einai parapano apo ton "tigrh kai drako". Giati analothike h mish taineia se anousia (en telei) klotsompounia den to katalaba.

 

Alhtheia leo re paidia... ston aytokinhtodromo eixa SKYLOBARETHEI!!! Kai ginotan ayto, kai pame apo thn allh, kai meta apo thn allh, kai ksana-mana.... re hmarton re!

 

Symfonate?

[Toufas]

ekdoxes gia ena matrix:

i trinity pethane kai to mialo tis mimithike ton thanato ara no more trinity....alla otan o neo tin esose den tha eprepe na einai nekri?kai otan o neo mpike ston agent smith ton alakse..mipos alakse kai tora i trinity?

 

ti mas leei afto?oti den einai 2 matrix alla 1....kai oti o neo apoktaei dinameis kai sto real world opos apektise kai o mr smith pou pige sto real world....kai episis eipe kai to melous tou simvouliou (poli star wars thimize) oti emeis xriazomaste tis mixanes kai oi mixanes emas

 

akoma mia....

o neo einai misos mixani kai misos anthropos....giati eipe o architect oti o one ftiaxtike gia na niazete gia tous anthropous.kai oti o neo itan panta o one giati sta monitors itan oloi neos...

isos o neo mathenei toso grigora tis abilities tou pou mporei na einai sindemenos me to matrix kai na einai sto real world taftoxrona san wirelessdiktio.kai den einai se koma alla einai akoma sto matrix.

 

episis deite pali to proto meros....

apla afta pou pistevame sto proto matrix den isxioune pleon...itan san na eixame enan pinaka me simioseis kai na ton svisame pali...

• 
  -i profitia isos den einai alithini
  -isos i oracle einai enantion ton epanastaton
  -i zion einai pio troti
  -o agent smith den exei pethanei
  -isos o alithinos kosmos isos einai akoma matrix
  -o one einai poli dinatos alla kai poli adinamos sixronos
  

 

kai to koutali pou edose ston neo to paidi ti sxesi exei????

 

 

opa opa opa update!:

sto game i oracle leei stin niobe oti o neo eixe mia apefthias sindesi me tis mixanes kai einai se mia oneiriki katastasi metaksi matrix kai real world kai meta apo ligo to game telionei logo tou emp pou epese...

 

 

 

 

 

[epote]

pantos to erotima pou thetei h deyterh tainia den einai to ti shmainei yparksh kai pos mporoume na kseroume oti yparxoume (lithike me thn proth arxh ths fainomenologias;)) alla to kritirio ths epiloghs, olh h deyterh tainia peristrefete gyro apo to an yphrxe epilogh kai sto telos telos ayto pou fainete na ksexorizei tous anthropous einai h dinatotita aythormiton apofaseon

[KaizerSoze]

To koutali tou to edwse o pitsirikos kai tou eipe"There's no spoon" gia na tou dwsei na katalavei pws an katanoisei oti ola einai apla ena programma sto myalo toumporei na kanei ta panta

 

 

[mkst]

kai to koutali pou edose ston neo to paidi ti sxesi exei????

Molis bgika apoto sinema hmoun poli mperdemenos, kiriws me ton dialogo architect-neo. Thn aposph tou matrix within matrix den thn eixa skeftei, alla twra thn blepw poli pi8ani. Ena akoma stoixeio pou enisxiei thn apopsi auth einai to koutali...

An 8imaste, sth 1h tenia, kapoia paidakia mporousan me thn skepsi tous na ligisoun ta koutalia. Auto ginotane mesa sto matrix, opote itane logiko. Omws to koutali sthn deuterh tenia do8ike ston neo sthn zion. Auto simainei oti ta paidakia ligizoun koutalia sto fenomenika ali8ino kosmo ths zion....Opote? Opote o kosmos ths zion einai kai autos matriz. Matrixwithinmatrix loipon....

[klark2000]

to koutali pou tou edose den einai anagki na to eixe kanei etsi sti zion alla mporei na to eixe parei mazi tou apo to matrix, opos akrivos kanei autos paradidei sto neo to skliro pou to edose i oracle...

[Jastonas]

basika to koutali pou tou dwse... htan APLA ENA KOUTALI:P den htan paramorfwmeno, alla ap oti katalaba apla paraxrhsimopoihmeno... den kserw an mporoume na xrhsimopoihsoume telika to koutali gia na katalaboume an einai matrix mesa se matrix. pisteuw pws apla to dwse gia auto pou eipe kapoios pio panw, gia na ton boh8hsei ston MATRIX world... ton sigouro matrix ennow....

[klark2000]

den eipa oti itan paramorfomeno alla oti den itan kanoniko koutali... simfono mazi sou Jastona