The Matrix Reloaded - Full Spoilers Topic

[PeLLaRaS]

Το Θιβέτ ή, όπου είναι, τέλος πάντων, είναι στη σκηνή με τα ατελείωτα βουνά, εκεί απ'όπου... πέταξε το πουλάκι μας (o Neo) και πήγε στην πόλη.

 

Eki tou ipe o link pros ta pou na paei!!! vorioanatolika nomizo

 

oso gia ta psixoula.....

giati nomizeis ton exei flomosei sta mpiskota i Oracle?

[random]

ΝΑΙ! την ειδα κι εγώ την ταινεία! νωρίς, νωρίς ε? λιγο πριν την αποσύρουν. ηθελα να τα εχω φρέσκα για την 3η συνεχεια!

ΝΑΙ! διάβασα και τις 30+ σελίδες του τοπικ!

ΝΑΙ! Ειμαι ανώμαλος...

 

Πως ήμουν οταν βγήκα απο την αίθουσα?

Με απορροφησε τόσο η ταινεία, που έκανα κανα 10λεπτο περιπλανηση στο παρκιν να βρω το αμάξι. Βγαίνω απο το στενό, στον Κηφισσό (εκει που γίνονται έργα, πριν το Ρεντη), Θεοσκότινα! λέω τώρα θα δω φάτσα-κάρτα καμια 100στή μαυροντυμένους Σμίθς να έρχονται απο το αντίθετο ρεύμα!

 

Μου άρεσε πολύ, και ειναι άδικο να την συγκρινουμε με το 1, γιατι το 1 μας εδωσε το πρωτοποριακο σεναριο, την υπόθεση,

ενω το 2 ειναι η εξιστόριση της συνέχειας, δεν μπορει να ειναι το ιδιο πρωτοποριακο γιατι θα μεταβληθει σε μια εντελως ασχετη ιστορία. Εγω το βλέπω σαν ένα Εργο σε τρεις συνέχειες, οπως και τον Αρχοντα.

Φυσικα οσοι πήγαν στο Reloaded χωρις να δουν το 1 θα έφαγαν φρίκη, αλλα tough luck, ας ρώταγαν.

Ειναι πιο πλουσιο σε εφε, μαλλον γιατι ειχε περισσοτερο χρημα στη διαθεση του η παραγωγη, αφου δεν ηταν ενα πειραμα οπως το 1, αλλα μια εξασφαλισμενη επιτυχια.

 

τι μου άρεσε:

Το κυνηγητο με τη μοτοσυκλέτα, ισάξιο με Ronin!

To unix command prompt, στην εποχή της σύξευξης κυττάρων με chips.

Τα σχεδόν πιστευτά (για νιούμπις) σενάρια για bacdoors, worms, bugs, και την προσωποποίηση του keygen σε κλειδαρά (τηλ 6 εφτάρια, κι ένα έξι).

Πολυ διασκεδαστικη η πάλη με τους 100 Σμιθς (ειδικα οταν σκεφτόμουν οτι ακομα στην αρχή της ταινειας είμαστε, αρα αποκλείετε ΤΩΡΑ να παθει κατι ο Νιο).

Τα πραγματικά νέα για μενα ειναι: Η εξελιξη του χαρακτηρα Σμιθ. Μπορω να πω πως εκλεψε τον πρωταγωνιστικο ρολο απο τον Νιο. Η διπλή υπόσταση πρόγραμμα-ανθρωπος, με πιστευτό τρόπο (οχι με τον αφελή τροπο Περσεφονη: ρομποτακι που ψαχνει αγαπη!).

Μπορει στο 3ο να εχουμε μια αναλογη αντιστροφή αν ο Νιο αποδειχθει σοφτγουερ.

 

 

Δεν μου άρεσαν, τα βρήκα κακες επιλογές ή δεν καταλαβα τον προορισμό τους:

1.- Το rave party sth zion, και τη διαρκεια του.

2.- Γιατι πρεπει ο κινεζος να κανει 5 λεπτα χορο-καρατε με το Νιο για να καταλαβει το αυτονόητο?

3.- Η ομιλία του Μορφέα προς το πληθος (εδώ, έβγαλα το εισιτήριο απο την τσέπη μου να σιγουρευτώ για το τι έβλεπα, βρε μπας και ήρθα σε παρωδία του Ματριξ απο τον Μελ Μπρούκς ?). Μήπως εννοούσε ο σεναριογράφος: "τωρα πρεπει να δωσουμε λιγο κουτοχορτο στο λαο, για να συνεχισουμε απερισπαστοι το έργο της σωτηρίας του".

4.- κακή κατανομή του χρόνου: έδωσαν πόσα λεπτά στο βιντεο κλιπ παρτυ, και μετα στο τέλος που είχε σημαντικά γεγονότα τα πέρασαν γρηγορα, γρήγορα λες και κρατουσαν ρολόι οι πορτιέρηδες. Απο την συξητηση με τον Αρχιτεκτονα, ποτε πέταξε, πότε τα πλοία αντιμετώπισαν τους Σεντινελ (δεν το εδειξε, το αφησε στη φαντασια μας), ποτε την ανεστησε...

5. Σουπερμαν δεν μου θυμισαν οι πτησεις του Νιο. Μου θυμισε "Σουπερμαν 1", η ανασταση της Τρινιτυ! χοντρή πατάτα οπως οταν ο σουπερμαν βρηκε νεκρη τη Λοις Λεην, και αντέστρεψε το χρόνο της Γης, κανωντας γυρω-γύρω, και την επανέφερε στη ζωή...

Δεν εχει σχέση με την ανασταση του Νεο στο 1, καθως ο Νεο ειχε πεθάνει στο ματριξ, και μπορω να δεχτώ οτι το καλωδιομενο σωμα του λειτουργούσε και κατι εκανε η Τρινιτυ στον πραγματικό κόσμο. Σε αυτη την δευτερη "ανασταση", και οι δύο ήταν στον εικονικό κόσμο. Οπως εξηγούσε ο Μορφεας στο Νεο στο 1, στην εκπαίδευση του, οταν εισαι μεσα στο ματριξ, οταν σε πετυχει η σφαίρα επειδη πιστευείς οτι θα σε σκοτώσει, σε σκοτώνει. Δηλ, σε σκοτώνει ο εγκέφαλος σου. Γι αυτο ο Νεό σταματάει τις σφαίρες, αντι να τις αφήσει να περάσουν απο μέσα του (αν πραγματικα μπορουσε να πεισει τον εγκέφαλό του οτι ειναι εικονικες).

 

 

Λοιπόν διαβάζοντας αυτο το τοπικ θελω να κανω μερικες παρατηρησεις:

 

Σκέφτηκα 2 πιθανα σενάρια τέλους (με τη βοήθεια όλων σας) για το Revolutions.

1.Το ελεινό, τρισάθλιο, υβρηστικό που θα μας κάνει να ταξιδέψουμε ολοι μαζι στο Χολυγουντ και να πλακώσουμε τα αδερφια.

Παίρνουμε πάλι μια δόση 90 λεπτών καράτε, εκρήξεων, και φιλοσοφικών ερωτημάτων, ο Νεο κατωρθώνει το shutdown του κεντρικου υπολογιστή και ξεμπριζώνει τα αδέρφια του, κοιτάει το ηλιοβασίλεμα (τέλος της Παλιας εποχής) αγκαλια με την έγκυο Τρινιτη, και λένε (σαν εκπρόσωποι της Νεας Ανθρωπότητας) "ποτέ πιά τα ίδια λάθη..."

ή ο Νέο τα κάνει θάλασσα, και βλέπουμε ενα απέραντο χωράφι μπριζωμένων, να συνεχίζει την τροφοδοσία των μηχανών, με την προσμονή του νέου Μεσσία...

Οποιο τέλος κι αν διαλέξετε, 2 λεπτά πριν τους τίτλους τέλους, το πλάνο κόβεται, βλέπουμε τον Κιανου να κοιμάται μπροστά στο ανοιχτό μόνιτορ.

Ξυπνάει!

"Οχι ρε γαμώτο! πάλι κοιμόμουν με ανοιχτή τη σύνδεση στο Ιντερνετ! Θα δει το λογαριασμό η μαμα και θα με χέσει!"

"Ωχ, πήγε 8 η ώρα, πρέπει να πάω δουλεια"

Ο αλαφιασμενος Κιανου, γυρνάει στο γραφειο του.

Ευτυχώς , Όλα ηταν ενα όνειρο. Δεν είναι ούτε Μεσσίας, ούτε σουπερμαν. Ειναι προγραμματιστης σε μια εταιρεία, και συνεχίζει τη ζωή του: Να γράφει γραμμές cobol, 9-to-5, για 3.60

 

2ο σεναριο: Ολοι οι πρωταγωνιστές μας ειναι μηχανές, ο "πόλεμος" μηχανων-Ζιον ειναι ενα αέναο πείραμα μεταξύ μηχανών που εξυπηρετεί τους σκοπούς που μόνο αυτες καταλαβαίνουν (μεσα στην τελειότητα τους) και ως εκ τουτου τα αδερφια Ζακοφσκι δεν κανουν τον κοπο να μας τον αποκαλύψουν.

Ο μόνος πραγματικός άνθρωπος, δηλ η συνειδησή του, και ο μονος που προσπαθεί να τα κανει χαλάστρα ειναι ο Σμιθ, η συνειδηση ενος ακομα μπριζωμένου ανθρώπου που καταφερε να εισχωρήσει σε ενα προγραμμα του Ματριξ, και να ρίξει το συστημα εκ των εσω.

Αυτο το σενάριο πάσχει μαρκετινίστικα, γιατι ο Κηανου ειναι ο "ωραίος" που πουλάει στα πιπινια, ενω ο Σμιθ ειναι ασχημαντρας και θα μας χαλασει το Αμερικαν Ντριμ, αλλα θα αρεσε στους λατρεις της ΕΦ, που δυστηχως ειναι μοιοψηφια στα παγκοσμια πορτοφόλια.

 

Λέτε κάποιο μήπως τα σεντινελ χάλασαν μπροστα στο Νιο επειδη ενα αλλο πλοιο τους εριξε EMP. Στο 1 δεν ειδα κανενα πλοιο να εκτοξεύει ακτινες. Το ΕΜΠ ηταν κατι σαν ασπιδα (remember Phoenix coi-op?) που περιβάλει το πλοιο, δεν εκτοξεύεται οπου θέλουμε.

 

Ενα ωραίο ποστ:

 

 

 

sweet_death_lady: "pisteuo oti einai too good to be true.an oi adelfoi thelan na mas afipnisoun ousiastika den tha peftan tosa lefta apo hollywood pleura...episis pos xafnika 2 anthropoi pou exoun kanei pro matrix 2-3 tainioules pou pigan sxedon apates xafnika vriskoun xrimatodotes gia tin sugkekrimeni taineia...?kai exei parei to auti mou kati gia evraious xrimatodotes..tespa oso gai tin taineia korufi sto eidos pou dimiourgise.tha akolouthisoun kai alles pisteuo.ta effe ,to upervoliko ksilo kai to too much love story me xalasan opos kai tin pleiopsifia alla when money speaks..."

Το χολυγουντ πουλάει διασκέδαση, οχι αφύπνιση. Παρε ενα βιβλίο για αυτά.

Οι Εβραίοι (και οι Ελληνες και οι Αφγανοί) χρηματοδότες, επενδύουν για τα κέρδη, όχι για να ανακατεύεται ο Μωησής με το Βούδα και το Χριστό για να προκύπτει ύποπτων σκοπών φιλοσοφική σαλάτα.

Το πρωτοποριακό σενάριο που τόσες συζητησεις ξεκίνησε, δεν θα το ήξεραν παρα οι δακτυλογράφοι των Ζακοφσκι, αν δεν συνοδευοταν απο το ξυλο, τα εφε, και τα άλλα.

 

Το σκηνικό με τους ελεγκτές κυκλοφορίας στο Ασπρο φόντο, πρέπει να το δεί ο Bill Gates. Ας ελπίσουμε τα Windows 2010 να μοιάζουν λίγο.

 

Τα περι χρόνου για boot kai connect πραγματικα άπαιχτα.

 

Η υπόθεση θυμίζει λίγο το ερώτημα "Γιατι ο Θεος αφου ειναι Καλός, επιτρέπει (αν δεν δημιούργησε κιολας) την υπαρξη του Κακου;". Αυτο που λέει ο Συμβουλος οτι χρειαζόμαστε τις μηχανές, ο αρχιτεκτονας λεει οτι παντα θα υπάρχει το 0,1%, και ενα τελειο συστημα δεν μπορει να δουλεψει.

 

 

Το αν παίζει ματριξ-εντος-ματριξ μας κανει να το υποπτευόμαστε το γεγονός οτι

Ο Νεο σταματάει τα σεντινελ ενω βρίσκετε στον "πραγματικο" κόσμο, και η κορυφαία παρατηρηση:

klark2000: "kai leei oti oi mixanes antistoixoun 1 gia kathe katoiko tis zion. Pou i3eran omos oi mixanes posoi einai mesa sti zion??? to mono pou mporousan na ipologisoun einai to posoun eleutheronan...."

 

Μήπως ο Αρχιτέκτωνας σταματησε τα σεντινελ, για να εκπληρωθεί αυτό που σε συνεργασία με την Προφήτη μαγείρευε: την "σωτηρία" λίγων απο την Ζιον, το reboot, ανεξάρτητα απο τις "επιλογες" του Νιο.

ή το άλλο: Μπορεί να υπάρχει μια διαμαχη μεταξύ των μηχανων σχετικά με την αναγκαιότητα των ανθρώπων. Ο Νεο να είναι κατι αντιστοιχο με τον Bane/Smith αλλα με τους "καλούς". Και αυτοί οι "δικοι" του να απενεργοποίησαν τα σεντινελ.

 

Αν μπορεί κάποιος να απαντήσει:

1. "23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion" γιατι 16+7 και όχι 12+9. τα νουμερα σημαινουν κατι?

 

2. "The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. " : Who is "WE"?

α) Αν οι μηχανες ειχαν τη δυνατότητα να λειτουργουν χωρις ανθρώπους θα το έκαναν χωρις 2η σκέψη.

β) Μηπως οι μηχανες ειναι τοσο εξελιγμένες ωστε δεν ισχύει μια απο τις υποθέσεις σας - οτι δεν λενε ψέματα? στο κατω -κάτω αφου ερωτεύονται, ζηλεύουν και κακιώνουν, γιατι να μη ψεύδονται?

γ) Ο αρχιτεκτων δεν ειναι μηχανη, αλλα ανθρωπος (αρα μπορεί να ψεύδεται)

β) Αν συμβεί το system crash, θα ηταν απλό οι μηχανές (αν ηθελαν) να σώσουν μερικους απο τους καλωδιομενους, το "entire humen race" μοιαζει υπερβολή.

δ) τελικά όποια πόρτα και να πάει ο Νιο, η Ζιον θα γινει σταχτη, και η Τρινιτυ θα πάει για βρούβες. Που ειναι το δίλλημα?

 

3. Sto εστιατόριο η ξανθιά τρώει μια πάστα απο τον Γάλλο. Τι τις έρχεται εκεί: κατούρημα, οργασμός, ή αναγούλα?

 

4. Το μπισκότο της Ορακλ παιζει καποιο ρόλο στην ιστορία, αλλα νομιζω οτι δεν το εφαγε ο Νιο, Σωστά?

 

 

Ουφ! αυτά. Περιμένω με αγωνία. Πλησιάζω σε βάθος αναμετάδοσης. Βγάζω το βίσμα του μόντεμ απο την σειριακή, και το συνδέω στο αυτί μου.

Είμαι μέσα...

[PeLLaRaS]

3. Sto εστιατόριο η ξανθιά τρώει μια πάστα απο τον Γάλλο. Τι τις έρχεται εκεί: κατούρημα' date=' οργασμός, ή αναγούλα?

 

4. Το μπισκότο της Ορακλ παιζει καποιο ρόλο στην ιστορία, αλλα νομιζω οτι δεν το εφαγε ο Νιο, Σωστά?[/quote']

 

3. Katourima, gia na paei stin toualeta kai na ikanopoiisi tis ore3eis tou o miroviggios :twisted: :roll:

 

4. To efage telika!

[Jastonas]

2. "The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. " : Who is "WE"?

α) Αν οι μηχανες ειχαν τη δυνατότητα να λειτουργουν χωρις ανθρώπους θα το έκαναν χωρις 2η σκέψη.

β) Μηπως οι μηχανες ειναι τοσο εξελιγμένες ωστε δεν ισχύει μια απο τις υποθέσεις σας - οτι δεν λενε ψέματα? στο κατω -κάτω αφου ερωτεύονται' date=' ζηλεύουν και κακιώνουν, γιατι να μη ψεύδονται?

γ) Ο αρχιτεκτων δεν ειναι μηχανη, αλλα ανθρωπος (αρα μπορεί να ψεύδεται)

β) Αν συμβεί το system crash, θα ηταν απλό οι μηχανές (αν ηθελαν) να σώσουν μερικους απο τους καλωδιομενους, το "entire humen race" μοιαζει υπερβολή.

δ) τελικά όποια πόρτα και να πάει ο Νιο, η Ζιον θα γινει σταχτη, και η Τρινιτυ θα πάει για βρούβες. Που ειναι το δίλλημα?

 

3. Sto εστιατόριο η ξανθιά τρώει μια πάστα απο τον Γάλλο. Τι τις έρχεται εκεί: κατούρημα, οργασμός, ή αναγούλα?

 

4. Το μπισκότο της Ορακλ παιζει καποιο ρόλο στην ιστορία, αλλα νομιζω οτι δεν το εφαγε ο Νιο, Σωστά? [/quote']

 

a) isws apla tous einai pio eukolo na exoun tous an8rwpous san mpataries.

b)ela mou nte. poios eipe oti den lene psemata? alla poios eipe ki olas oti erwteuontai?! den eida kamia mhxanh na erwteuetai. ektos an les gia thn monica. h opoia den erwteuetai... apla htan programma pou eixe ftiaxtei gia na dokimazei kata kapoio tropo ghines apolauseis

c) o arxitektonas den einai mhxanh? einai an8rwpos?! poios sto eipe auto? Kara mhxanara einai 1100cc!

?

d)oxi. an paei sthn mia porta h zion staxtes, h trinity broubes, k meta reload thn zion me 16 gynaikes k 7 adres. an paei sthn allh... swzei thn trinity... k h moira ths zion einai... unknown!

3) egw nomizw orgasmos...

4)to mpiskoto... den kserw...

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ρίξτε μια ματιά και εδώ:

 

http://www.matrix-explained.com/

[privateer]

O Neo exei tyflw8ei??Deite thn prwth pic dexia

O agent Smith sthn aristerh o8onh

 

**************REVOLUTIONS SPOILERS ******************REVOLUTIONS SPOILERS

 

 

Neo is in the real world or so he thinks dreaming of three lines in the desert of the real. when he awakes...

 

Neo is in the matrix at a trainstation, where he meets this crazed bum looking guy who operates the train. the train is controlled through this trainman who is a rogue program trying to avoid the Merovingian. On this train is a program which is the offspring of two other rogue prgrams.

 

Trinity and Morpheus get aboard the Hammer and go looking for the Logos and niobe's crew. When they find the Logos Niobe explains that Neo is trapped outside of his body and is now in the matrix. They power up the logos and return to zion to discuss the new plan with the council. At which point bane wakes up and after killing the medic sneaks aboard the Logos. Both ships head to broadcast depth to see the Oracle the logos has trinity morpheus and neo's body.

 

The oracle explains that Neo is being held in the matrix by the merovingian and is now operating somewhat like a rogue program roaming free in the matrix but cannot escape. She tells them that to free neo they must find the Merovingian at the hell club. Seraph who guards that which matters most (the future not the oracle) leads Morph and trin to the hell club.

 

At the same time Neo learns more about the nature of the matrix from the trainman, the matrix is deteriorating and there are glitches happening all over, and more about his nature and the nature of other rogue programs from the programs themselves. The programs are basically three factions those that work for the system, those that are free from the system but have given up hope that there is such a thing as free will so have thrown in their lot with the merovingian and enjoy the pleasures of the matrix, and those that are working to free themselves and everyone else from the system.

 

Morph trin and seraph fight their way to the Merovingian and Persephone, ghost and niobe fight their way to neo. They find neo and explain what is happening. Meanwhile Morph and trin make it to Persephone. Seraph gets killed along the way saving them both but they get persephone to turn and help kill the merovingian before he blows up the whole place..

 

Ghost and niobe get an exit and neo flys to see the Oracle at her apartment. She explains that at this point smith has taken over much of the matrix and the darkness will spread consuming them all. If the matrix ends, the machines end and so do the humans. She explains his earlier vision of three lines and says to follow them to get to 01he must help to save the matrix and to do so he must go to the machine capital. She explains it must end tonight, or all will be lost.

 

Smith takes over the the trainman and the prodidgy of the rogue programs. Discovers the whereabouts of the Oracle.

 

Morph and trin jack out as bane/smith attack the crew with the plasma gun. Link gets overcome and bane attacks Neo while he is still jacked in. Morph kills bane as Neo jacks out and realizes he is blind due to the attack. Morph, link, niobe and ghost board the hammer and head back to zion after getting an emergency call. Trin and Neo head towards 01 in the logos.

 

Neo explains to Trin that he finally understands what needs to be done and tells her about the three lines hes dreamed about. Trinity discovers the power transmission lines and they follow them. Neo battles the sentinels along the way with his mind.

 

Smith enters the oracles apartment and takes her over at which point he apparently becomes aware of the Oracles plan for bringing about a truce.

 

The hammer returns to Zion just in time to meet the threat of the sentinels approaching the gate. The kid is fighting them off in what appears to be the last of the APU's(mecha). The hammer fires its EMP and the newest sentinel threat seems to be abated.

 

The council meets and everyone explains what is happening with neo and 01. Hammans and the commander agree that the only hope now is to believe Morph was right about the prophesy. the Mjolnir returns and they all board it in a last ditch effort to hold off the sentinels till Neo reaches 01.

 

Meanwhile Neo and trin are constantly being attacked by sentinels as they appraoch the machine city. finally they are overcome by some huge machines and the logos crashes. The sentinels scan the wreckage and find Trin dead and Neo severly injured. The sentinels drag neos body to a kind of huge mainfram and jack him into it.

 

At the same time the mjolnir is fighting off the sentinels still attacking zion, but they are now all over the ship and hamman and the commander are killed by the sentinels defending the kid. Morph comforts Niobe and they kiss.

 

Neo has a long dialogue with the machine intelligence in a place which is obviously not real. The machines explain that he was unexpected but not unaccounted for. He says he can destroy smith if they will let the human minds still jacked in continue to exist and call off the destruction of zion. The machine tries to argue at which point other machine voices pop in and explain the stagnency of living this way. They agree to Neo's offer and they jack him into the matrix.

 

Morph is about to fire the EMP onboard the mjolnir when link sees that Neo is IN the matrix Morph holds off and the sentinel cease their attack. Morph looks at the screen and says "oh trinity......Neo...he fights for us...all of us".

 

Neo faces down smith in the raining streets. they fight and talk and Smith explains his feeling of freedom and about death. Neo wins at first but is eventually overcome by Smith. Smith does to Neo what Neo did to smith in the first movie taking him over. At which point the machines unplug Neo destroying smith and all of his clones as well.

 

The kid collapses in the mjolnir, and the matrix code changes suddenly. Morph checks the kids vitals and he is dead. In the architects room you see the architect being taken over like an agent taking over a human who is plugged in. Suddenly the kid sits there looking bewildered then determined.

 

A teeming city is seen humans running all over doing their business. Morpheus and niobe walk the streets together. Morpheus says "she prophesied that i would find the one" Niobe says "you did indirectly" Morpheus smiles and says "Neo found...helped him find himself...It's not over yet" she responds "let them dream Morpheus" to which he replies "sometimes all we have is dreams...Faith" she kisses him "faith or truth its all the same". He says "I dreamed I was a man...is it evolution or revolution?"

 

Zoom towards the machine intelligence and then inside then down some wires then to a smiling kid and finally down a street in the matrix to Morpheus and Niobe and behind them an agent. " I see them now. I will maintain contact....."

[Jastonas]

re privateer ti mas kaneis...! kratiemai me nyxia k me dontia na mhn diabasw auto pou egrapses.. einai ontws spoiler h apla guess kapoiou typou?!

[LL_NEO]

πάντως το ίδιο κείμενο είχε παραθέσει και ο εποτε προ εβδομάδων μερικές σελίδες πιο πίσω. Μακάρι να μην είναι αλήθεια. Δε μου άρεσε

[random]

Ειχα βρεί ενα κειμενάκι Reovolutions Plot αρκετά λεπτομερές και σκέφτηκα "αν αυτά ειναι ψέματα, ο τύπος πρέπει να προσληφθεί απο τους Γουακοφσκι για το Μ4".

 

Επειδή βλέπω οτι περιγράφει πάνω-κάτω τα γεγονότα οπως στο ποστ των epote, privateer υποψιάζομαι οτι μπορεί και να μην ειναι και τοσο μουφα, χωρις να εχω πιστεί απόλυτα.

 

Αυτό που ακολουθεί μοιάζει πολύ με το προηγούμενο αλλα ειναι σαφώς γραμμένο απο άλλον, και πολύ αναλυτικό (σαν να εχει την ευκαιρεία για pause την ταινια και να γράφει τι ειδε μολις).

 

Προσέξτε την εισαγωγή - ισχυρίζεται οτι αγόρασε πειρατικό dvd σε νησι της Καραιβικής, και προσέξτε την ημερομηνία του 11/8/03.

Στο τέλος οι εντυπώσεις μου.

 

Προσοχή spoils !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

αλλα αφου μπαίνετε σ αυτό το τοπικ, τά'θελες και τά'παθες....

 

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Ok... i didnt write this.. i found it on another forum. Its long, but its worth reading. If u dont want the movie to b spoiled, dont read it! But have fun if ya do!!

 

My wife and I visited Aruba on vacation and when we left our resort and went into chocolate town we saw a guy selling DVD's. One was labeled Matrix: Revolutions. When I questioned him about it he said it was a working copy. I figured what the hell and bought it. I just got back 2 days ago and watched it. It IS the real thing, most of the affects are done but there are a few weird looking scenes, and the sound is low and a little out of sync in spots. I called a friend of mine who is a HUGE matrix fan. He came over and after watching 5 minutes he shut it off and confirmed that it was real. He didn't want to see the working version. He wanted to wait till the finished movie came out. He wouldn't even talk with me about the plot or anything. He doesn't want to ruin it for himself. He said I should come here and post a synapsis in the spoiler section. So here it is. I'm going to try to describe the movie as best as I can but at the end I still find myself wondering about many of the meanings.

 

The movie starts in the real world above zion. The destruction of human cities is tremendous. Out of this rubble appears a black line. The black line grows closer and is joined by another line and then another. These three lines pass sentinels, pass the fields where humans are being grown, pass large digging machines doing there thing and finally to a large alien looking city.

 

But it was all a dream, Neo wakes up in the matrix on a bench in a subway station. The rumbling from a train has awaken him. He watches the train pull in and a dirty looking bum gets off the train with wild hair and wild eyes. He coaxes Neo aboard the train, and the train leaves the station. The bum explains to Neo that he is safe here from the french guy.

The frenchguy, he explains, is an ancient program created to learn about the ideas of sin and guilt which were the presumed cause of the losses of large crops of humans. The architect had given humans a perfect world but within this world humans using their innate freewill were rejecting and destroying this perfect world. The frenchman wanted to eliminate freedom of action as a solution to the incompatability between perfection and freewill. The Architect then created a program to find the solution to this dilemna without removing freewill. This program (the Oracle) determined, after studying human history, that freewill has always been an illusion and that humans have never been truly free. Freewill can be circumscribed into ever smaller circles of control using the ideas of Hope, Faith, Guilt and Sin. She determined that social structures like government, church, corporations and family can control freewill without removing the concept itself. Based on this information and a search of human history they decided to use the pinacle of civilization as the means of control.

 

Civilization is based on control and after all it is the opposite of individual liberty and freewill, it allows for the perception of individual freedom while preserving the neccessary means of control to suppress sin and guit. In that sense the frenchman was like the serpent in the garden of eden introducing knowledge and destroying the world God(the architect) had created. This perception of freewill would eventually bring about the destruction of the matrix and so faith must save it. The frenchman then refused to return to the source, claiming the argument wasn't over and he would be proved correct, so he was exiled into the Matrix. The Oracle had to continue working within the system to preserve faith and create the idea of the One. At this point a young female enters the traincar.

 

While all this is happening to Neo the people of Zion are regrouping after their disastrous attempt to preempt the machines attack. They are trying to piece together who survived and gather their weapons to prepare for the final attack. Morpheus and Trinity board a hovercraft in an effort to find the Logos which wasn't involved in the attack but hasn't been heard from. When they find the Logos and her crew it is disabled, the crew of the other ship helps get the Logos restarted while Niobe explains to Morpheus and Trinity that she had been to see the Oracle. She says the Oracle explained that Neo's body is seperated from his mind and he is trapped within the matrix. They return to Zion to explain what has happened and to retrieve Neo's body. While they are explaining their strategy to the Zion Council Bane wakes up and kills the doctor tending to him. Bane follows Neo's body as it is being transfered to the Logos. After the council meeting both the ships head to broadcast depth so that Morpheus and company can see the Oracle.

 

Morpheus meets Seraph who bows and takes Ghost, Niobe, Morpheus, and Trinity to the see the Oracle. She awaits them in her kitchen and explains that Neo is trapped like a rogue program in the Matrix. She tells Trinity she must free him from the french guy by going through hell herself. They can find him at the Hell club. Seraph and the Oracle exchange a look and then Seraph states that he will show them. After thinking about it the Oracles speech to Trinity makes perfect sense since the Oracle knows the frenchman's wife will be there.

 

Neo is still on the train. He learns that the frenchman's wife is actually the product of the Oracle and the frenchman. She was created using some of his code without his permission or knowledge by the Oracle to advance her Ideas on human nature. She had persisted in the idea that humans had a special ability to jump beyond their programming through faith and emotion that the machines lacked. Coupling this with the dependency that the machines have on humans for their survival she has determined that they must live together in peace. The wife had helped to trap Neo for the frenchman who hopes to tempt him with sin to succumb to his human "programming". His wife though has not taken sides like most other programs and though she has submitted to the frenchman, she has come to realize she has sacrificed passion for her pleasure. The little girl explains to Neo that she is the product of a dissillusioned frenchman's wife and a rogue program who was in charge of human procreation. Her parents had hid her in the mind a human child who was wired into the matrix at the time. But Neo had helped to free this child trapping the prodigy without protection in the matrix. She was now being pursued by both agents and the frenchman. The father of the prodigy betrayed the Oracle to save the life of his now unprotected daughter.

 

Morpheus and Trinity and Seraph make it to the Hell Club. They fight their way into the hell club fairly easily but then the twins attack. Seraph holds the fort against the twins while Morpheus and Trinity keep fighting to get the frenchman. Ghost and Niobe are running from agents trying to beat the train to its next station to get to Neo. Morpheus and TRinity are now facing down the frenchman. His henchmen are holding their fire since trinity is pointing a gun at his head. Seraph is having an unbelievable battle with the twins but falls to a sword. The twins enter the room through a wall as the frenchman explains that the building is wired and if he dies they all die. He says bring Neo to me and the twins take off after him. The frenchman's wife learning from trinity about sacrifices made for love walks up behind the french guy and holds a gun to his head, she explains to Trinity "he is not so interested in the end as am I, your lover is with my child go to him". Trinity and Morpheus leave and the building is destroyed behind them.

 

The commander and the councilor discuss the possible plans for preserving the final defenses of Zion. Sentinel scouts have been attacking the gates and are being fought off with the manned robots. No ships remain to help in the defense. the commander is in a d**n near panic as he is calling now on all people of zion to defend the gates and issuing personal weapons to untrained humans. The kid takes over a robot from a fallen comrade and begins to hold the gate. Other humans are using hand held weapons to fight the sentinels who are penetrating the defenses. There are only two hours till the main body of the machine army hit the gates en masse.

 

Neo fights and destroys the twins in a great battle protecting the prodigy, then when the train pulls into the next station he exits and the train departs to save Ghost and Niobe from two agents. Niobe calls for a hard line and Neo's body is hooked up to the matrix in one of the chairs. the operator explains that he has been recieving emergency calls from Zion for a general return to fight the sentinels. Ghost and Niobe head for the exit as Morpheus and Trinity get to the station. Neo explains to Morpheus the current situation and he and Trinity share a kiss beore he explains that he must discuss something with the Oracle. Neo takes off while Morpheus and Trinity head to the exit.

 

Neo Arrives at the Oracles apartment and enters. she is alone. He recognizes her code. She smiles. Smith arrives at the train station and takes over the bum and the little girl. The girl tries to run and smith says "don't be shy, join us" and jams his hand into her chest with a snarl. "ah yes welcome to the party" he says. The Oracle explains to Neo that the time is now. She can no longer see the future, she explains that one side cannot win. She only prophesied an end to the war not victory. The anomoly of the One was more profound than the architect had predicted. Through exposure to humans and the desire to understand them and the constant pressure to keep them in line with newer and better programming had led to what she had finally forseen. Smith had become so like humans that he was now a threat to the system itself. This limited machine freewill was now uncontrollable except by the One. The entire sytem would fail without human intervention and all people and machines would be destroyed.

 

Morpheus Jacks out and as Trinity is waiting Bane attacks. The rest of the crew had been fighting him to keep him away from the chairs. Trinity knocks the laser gun out of his hand as he shoots at Neo who is still in the chair. Morpheus jumps bane and they strangle each other. Bane says "morpheus", Morpheus says "Smith" They struggle a little more. Morpheus grabs the knife and says "welcome to the real world" and stabs bane in the chest. It's pretty cool here cause bane looks more shocked then hurt before he dies. Niobe calls Morpheus and explains about the situation in zion as Neo jacks out. He is blinded from the laser attack from bane.

 

Neo explains to Morpheus that he now knows what he must do. Everyone but Neo and Trinity board the other ship, while they prepare themselves on the Logos. Morpheus tries to talk Neo into letting him go with them. Neo declines and explains that the prophecy can only be carried out through hope. He explains about the previous ones and that they lacked hope and instead substituted faith in the future. Faith requires no action, hope without action deteriorates into faith. Faith is the system of control the machines had counted upon. Neo explains that the time is now or never and he has chosen to make the prophecy come true. He and Trinity take off in the logos while the others race back to zion on the other ship.

Smith arrives in the Oracles apartment and after a short debate smith takes over the Oracle and laughs knowingly. Neo and Trinity are flying the logos through the wreckage of the real world. Neo explains his dreams and what they mean to Trinity while she is flying the ship. They begin to see more and more sentinels as Neo explains his connection to smith. Their destinies are tied together. Neo can sense the machines because of Smith, and Smith can sense anything Neo has come into contact with. Through smith he has sensed what could be described as fear in the programs, as smith grows stronger the other programs grow weaker and the matrix will continue to deteriorate until it is reloaded. Killing all humans and machines. The problem is that only smith can reload the matrix now.

 

The other ship fights through waves of sentinels to reach zion. As they reach the gate, the annoyong kid is holding the gate and fighting furiously with the sentinels. Morpheus blast away at the sentinels helping the humans on the ground. Finally another ship radios morpheus explaining that they are on their way. Niobe fires the emp and this wave of sentinels is destroyed. The robot thing collapses and morpheus new ship is now useless. The council meets while the survivors of zion rebuild. The main body of attacking sentinels is only minutes away. Morpheus explains that Neo is headed to the machine city to fullfill the prophecy. Even the commander agrees at this point that that is all they can hope for. They form a plan to head out and meet the sentinels to try to buy time for neo to defeat the machines on the last hovercraft.

 

Neo is fighting off the sentinels using his connection to smith's mind. While trinity flies the ship. she sees the black lines Neo was talking about in his dream and follows them. As they do the sentinels multiply in number. Out of a cloud of squiddies a pair of huge machines appear. Trinity tries to fly between them but the ship is hit by a laser and the controls become useless. The logos crashes hard as a swarm of squids chase it. The minute the ship stops tumbling the sentinels are on it cutting it to pieces. In the wreckage they find Neo and Trinity lying there holding hands. One of the squids pull Neo away from Trinity who is obviously dead. His body is lifted up and flown slowly towards the heart of the machine city. In front of a large black building with flickering lights neo is dropped into the hands of ugly brown human sized mahines that look like ants. They bring him inside a empty chamber lock him on a table and a probe is jammed into his neck hole. He wakes up in a construct all white with no distinguishing features.

 

The commander and the councilor join Morpheus and the rest of the crew board the last ship. They leave zion and head towards broadcast depth. They see giant machines which are like mobile squiddie manufacturing plants. Sentinels attack immediately, quickly they are all over the ship and are cutting through the hull. The councillor is pulled out of the ship trying to push the kid out of the way. The commander holds off the squiddies on the ship with a laser but too many are getting in and he gets ripped to pieces by one from behind him. They are crawling along the inside of the ship chasing the kid.

 

The Oracle appears in the contruct and begins talking with Neo. The Oracle explains the machines position to Neo. The matrix must be reloaded and Smith must be destroyed. Neo knows this isn't the oracle so the machine takes the form of the architect. The architect then explains that maybe we should have been more carefull to understand the basic functioning of the matrix. Then the frenchguys wife appears and argues that the system must be stabilized regardless of the outcome. The french guy then appears and says that they can not be set free. this goes on with different characters apearing, it is like a machine council meeting. Finally neo stops the debate with the idea that only he has the choice. the machines agree and negotiate with neo. Neo begins to explain the sacrifice he has made and what he wants in return.

 

Niobe and Morpheus are kissing while the squiddies continue to tear their ship apart. Suddenly the sentinels stop the giant factories cease pumping out sentinels. Niobe runs to the screens and sees Neo in the matrix. Morpheus looks at the code and his shoulders drop, he realizes trinity is dead. Neo faces off with smith in the rain. They attack each other after a few taunts They fight on the ground and in the air destroying the buildings around them. Everytime Smith gets in a good shot his doubles all grin from every window and door in the matrix. Neo is kicking Smiths ass most of the time but finally Smith jams his hand into Neo's chest, but Neo concentrates and smith starts to become Neo then suddenly Neo becomes Smith. Back in the machine city the ant machines unplug Neo. Smith says "no" then drops on the ground, the rains stop and all the smith clones begin to turn back into the people he had taken over.

 

On the ship the sentinels back off but the kid collapses. Niobe notices that the code has changed. Morpheus says the kid is dead. Inside the architects room the architect is being taken over, he fights but the kid appears there. Neo enters the room. He explains that the threat is gone he has smiths code. Neo tells him that the balance must be maintained at all costs. The kid nods, you must reload. I know what to do. Neo enters the door.

 

Morpheus and Niobe are walking through the matrix. Morpheus is explaining that all these people must be freed. Niobe says that he knows what that would mean. He talks about what he had hoped would happen and that Neo said the prophecy must be forced to become real. behind them an agent walks holding his earpeice and glaring at them.

 

Posted by: kirsten on August 11, 2003 01:24 PM

 

 

 

το βρηκα εδώ

 

http://www.szilagyi.us/archives/2003/05/001811-matrix_revolutions_spoilers.phtml

 

 

δικές μου εντυπώσεις:

Το οτι Trinity kai Neo "φαίνεται" πως βγαίνουν off (πεθαίνουν?? στο Μ κανένας δεν πεθαίνει ισως), δεν μου κανει για πολυ Χολυφουντιανό τέλος "όλα καλα κι ολα ωραία" - θα στεναχωρήσει τους Ασχετους.

Αλλα ειναι καλό για SF τέλος.

 

Προσωπικά δεν μου spoilαρε τίποτα, θα πάω και θα τα σκάσω κανονικά για το revs.

[privateer]

The Trinity Theory

 

The Origin of The Matrix: The first version of the matrix was created by the Architect to be the perfect world. The "primitive" minds of humans, however, could not accept the program. The supposed reasons for failure of the first matrix were sin and guilt. Based on these conclusions, the Architect created the second matrix which was based on chaos. He was still frustrated by failure. Then the Merovingian was created to investigate the reasons as to why the humans kept rejecting perfection. The Merovingian came to the conclusion that freewill should be eliminated from the system because perfection and freewill, as demonstrated by the monumental failure of the first matrix, were incompatible. The Architect then created the Oracle to find a solution without eliminating freewill. The Oracle concluded that choice is an illusion and that humans have never truly been free. She discovered that social structures such as government, church, corporations, and family control freewill without actually removing it thus creating the illusion of choice. Based on these conclusions, they set the third matrix at "the peak of your civilization" as the means of controlling free will. Civilization allows for the illusion of choice while supplying the necessary means to supress sin and guilt, the supposed causes of the flaws of the first matrix. However, by allowing the illusion of choice an anomaly eventually became created which could destroy the matrix itself should the code not be reinserted into the matrix allowing a reboot and removing all problems until the next iteration of the anomaly. "Choice" would bring about the destruction of the matrix and so they relied on faith to save it. The Oracle had to continue inside the system to preserve faith and the belief in the one. This would allow for a continuous faith in the future of humanity from the anomaly and allow the system to continue rebooting. By using many systems of control they were able to keep everything in order and allow the matrix to continue despite one pontentially devastating flaw. The Merovingian chose exile after his purpose was served claiming that the argument as to the removal of choice was unsettled. He remains an exile waiting to prove that his theory of causality and the removal of freewill is the most efficient way to control the humans.

 

The Sixth Version: In the process of Neo "destroying" Smith, their codes are overwritten onto each other allowing for a connection between the two. Smith, facing deletion while returning to the source, chooses exile. His powers have been altered from either his encounter with the source or the overwriting process that occured with Neo. It is at this point irrelevant seeing as Smith is rapidly starting to have total control over the matrix by infecting it's every living inhabitant.

 

Now, ever wonder exactly what Smith is doing sneaking around all the time and showing up wherever Neo is? As for being in the back doors, there are two possibilites: either he's able to access them because of his viral code or as Morpheus says the agents hold all the keys.

 

Smith: "You look suprised to see me, AGAIN, Mr. Anderson. But that's the difference between us--I've been expecting you."

 

Neo: "What do you want Smith?"

 

Smith: "You haven't figured that out? Still using all the muscles except the one that matters. I want exactly what you want--I want everything."

 

We all remember the scene with the Architect--Neo was given two choices: The Matrix or The Source. Had he chosen the right door which leads to the source, his code would have been assimilated into the code for the matrix. The first five times it went perfectly. Neo, however, is different. He is connected to a certain someone that we all know and love; a man, a virus, who calls himself Smith. So, had Neo chosen the door on the right not only his code but Smith's viral code would have been assimilated into the matrix. If Smith infected the Source he would theoretically have control over the entire matrix and the machines. When Smith was about to be deleted he learned more about the nature of the matrix--more specifically the nature of the one or the anomaly. He knew about the choice given to the "Carrier of the Code" and with his new found abilities and hatred of his prison found a way to take advantage of the situation. Now, since Smith knew about the choice he knew that Neo would most likely choose Trinity. The only way to prevent him from choosing Trinity was to kill her. Smith-Bane wasn't going to kill Neo; he was going to kill Trinity. Had Trinity been dead he would be forced to choose the right door, giving Smith total control over the matrix.

 

Now, the Architect was watching over all of this. He knew what was going on and had no control over it. If Neo chose the door on the right, it would all have been over. Since the Architect is obviously a master at making new systems of control, he used the choice of the one to control Neo--to make him choose the door on the left. He could deal with losing the matrix again. They had lost crops before and they could do it again. They were willing to except that. Since the Architect had made a few matrices before it probably wouldn't take him that long to make a new one and there are already crops of humans being produced constantly. They'd have plenty of power again in no time. And you wondered why the Architect seemed so angry at Neo--he knows human psychology and he knew EXACTLY how to use Neo and how he would react.

 

So you see, Smith at the Burly Brawl and Smith in the hallway, both times he was trying to overwrite Neo. It obviously didn't work the first time. The second time, Morpheus was with him. He tried to take over Morpheus so then Neo would have no help and no way out. This attempt also failed. Smith's plan failed but as we see in Enter The Matrix he is still keeping himself busy.

 

Where shall we go now? Let's go with the Oracle. It is very clear to me now that she knew exactly what was going on. "You've already made the choice; you're here to try to understand why you made it." Neo doesn't realize how deep the systems of control go. What the Oracle was reffering to was the "choice" that the Architect was giving him. Now, some of us already knew this but look at it with this theory. It implies that she knows exactly why the Architect wants him to choose that door. Neo thinks it's to save Trinity when in fact it's to prevent Smith from overrunning the matrix. She decides that the only way to end the war is together. Machines and humans must work together. The door on the right would end with the elimination of both races.

 

Ok, next character. The Merovingian. What exactly was his motive? "What do all men with power want? More power." "I am a trafficer of information; I know everything I can." He knows about Smith and doesn't feel like losing his power.

 

Merovingian: "But this is not a reason; this is not a why. The Keymaker himself, his very nature, is a means; not an end. And so, to look for him is to be looking for a means to...do...what?"

 

Neo: "You know the answer to that question."

 

Merovingian: "But do you? You think you do but you do not."

 

Mero knows exactly what they want to use the Keymaker for. He probably thinks they will screw it up so he tells them no, they can't have him. Problem solved. This would keep Smith from having absolute power.

 

I remember somebody saying how dumb it was that the Twins were shooting at the back window and the trunk instead of the gas tank. I think Merovingian has the same interests as the Architect--to keep the matrix alive. As stated before, Merovingian doesn't feel like losing his seat of power so he has the Keymaker to prevent Neo from reaching the source and giving Smith the power. I think that the Merovingian also realizes that Trinity is very important to Neo's decision so he probably told his thugs not to fatally harm Trinity which would explain why they shoot at the back of the car and not the gas tank; they simply want to either keep or eliminate the Keymaker.

 

The Agents that we see shooting at Trinity during that same chase have a good reason for doing so without going against the theory. If they killed the driver of the car, it would either A) potentially kill the target (the Keymaker) by the car crashing or blowing up or make him a sitting duck. So if they could eliminate the possibility of Neo even meeting the Architect, why not go for it? Notice how it was only after she no longer possessed the Keymaker that they stopped chasing her.

 

Behind the Scenes: Faith, Hope, and Love. Morpheus represents faith. He "believes so blindly" and he never wavers in his beliefs. Trinity represents hope. Hope plays the most pivotal role in the trinity because it is the only way the prophecy can be fulfilled. Neo represents love. His undying love for Trinity is the reason for his "choices" and gives him hope. Hope is something that the previous Anomalies lacked and substituted it instead with faith in the future. Faith requires no action and hope without action becomes faith. Faith is the system of control that the machines had counted on and is the reason for the Oracle to exist. The Oracle is there to instill faith in the Zionites giving them the illusion of choice. She realizes that hope is the only way to overcome faith and plants the love between Neo and Trinity. She sees this as the only way to end the cycle. She is interested in only one thing: the future and she knows that the only way to get there is together. Neo has decided to make the prophecy come true.

 

The following with astericks in front of them are facts.

 

*The clock at the Merovingian's restaurant reads exactly 12 PM.

*The clock at the security guards office reads exactly 12 AM.

*12 hours around a clock face makes a full circle

*101 in binary is 5

*314 seconds could refer to pi, which is just over 5

*Pi is needed to make a circle

*At the Oracle's abandoned apartment there is a Pi sign with a circle around and a line through it, meaning "No Pi"

*The Matrix is cyclic

*The Matrix is currently in it's 6th cycle

*Spoon Boy has 5 bent spoons laying before him in M1 and Neo bends the sixth spoon but returns it to it's normal position.

*The date 2-2-2003 appears in The Animatrix episode, Beyond.

 

Conclusion: These facts seem to point to Neo being "The" One. There are many references to 5 and a "No Pi" sign which, to me, anyways seem to point to the conclusion that the matrix will no longer be cyclic. If it is not cyclic, that means that Neo has not entered the source which means he either a) is dead. defeated the machines or c) has decided to call a truce with the machines. Seeing as The Matrix Online states that The Matrix lives on after The Matrix Revolutions and the date for Beyond is well beyond any point in the movies, it seems that the conclusion of Revolutions can be either narrowed down to choice A or C. A and C could be a combonation as well with Neo compromising like the scriptment says.

[stavrospap]

paidia na pw kai egw kati gia to matrix reloaded giati to exw dei gyrw stis 25 fores.katarxas to matrix 1 htan gia to eyry koino,gia na to katalaboyn oloi,akoma kai aytoi poy perimenoyn to telos gia na doyn poios einai o dolofonos (as poyme).to matrix reloaded gia na to katalabeis prepei na ksereis apo ypologistes,apo comix,kai apo giapwnezika anime.(kapoy nomizw to eida ayto).kai einai alhtheia.oi kiniseis kai ola einai idia me animations.alla re paidia ayto poy den mporw na katalabw kai thelo na moy peite.giati oi antrwpoi(morfeus,trinity,niobe)mporoyn kai ta bazoyn me praktores?????afoy mono o eklektos mporei na toys nikisei kai na piasei thn taxythta toys.epishs o prostaths ths oracle giati o neo den mporoyse na ton nikisei?afoy logika tha einai anwteros apo ayton.

ayta gia twra ....paw gia ypno....kalinixta

[PeLLaRaS]

to matrix reloaded gia na to katalabeis prepei na ksereis apo ypologistes,apo comix,kai apo giapwnezika anime.(kapoy nomizw to eida ayto).kai einai alhtheia.oi kiniseis kai ola einai idia me animations.

Apo ipologistes den xriazete na eisai diplomatouxos. Apla prepei na 3ereis na xirizese ton ipologistei (vasika na "katanoiseis" tin litouriga tou, i telos panton tin logiki pos doulevei) kai fisika na gnorizeis ti einai ios kai ti mpori na kanei (opos na se katastrepsei to pc, na "mpei" se programmata). Akomi kalitera an exei empires apo ious kai dourious ipoys!!!Gia comix den nomizo, alla ta giapwnezika anime ti sxesei exoun? Nai men i idea ton "kiniseon" sto matrix einai parmenes apo anime alla giati kapoios prepei na 3erei apo aftes?

 

giati oi antrwpoi(morfeus,trinity,niobe)mporoyn kai ta bazoyn me praktores?????afoy mono o eklektos mporei na toys nikisei kai na piasei thn taxythta toys.

Tin niobe den tin ida pote na ta bazei me kapoion praxtora. Oso gia tous allous, apla antistekonte, den tous nikoun. I trinity tis efage gia ta kala apo ton praxtora (kai malista pethane!!!). O morfeus, os poio "empiros" as to poume, antistekete perisotero (pano stin trailer) alla o praxtoras den to "Apotelioni" giati a)o stoxos einai o keymaker den einai toso "e3ipnos" oso o morfeas (sxetiko auto :roll: )

 

epishs o prostaths ths oracle giati o neo den mporoyse na ton nikisei?afoy logika tha einai anwteros apo ayton.

Apo pou simperanes oti den mporouse na ton nikini? Tin maxi tin stamatise o prostatis tis oracle. Apo tin alli o neo den einai kai athanatos (Asxetos an prepei na mini zontanos giati einai o protagonisteis ). An ipothsoume tora oti den tha evazan kapoion asxeto na prostatevei tin oracle, alla kapoion poio "dinato" apo tous praxtores, tote simperanoume oti o prostatiseis einai enas a3ios antipalous tou neo. Akoma ena pithano senario: Afou o neo ide "xriso" kodiko, den mporouse na ton "apokriptografisei" kai etsi den evriske adinata simia.

Vasika an arxisoume na pernoume tis leptomeries kai na prospathoume na vgaloume logiki, sto telos tha simperanoume oti i oracle einai i mitera tou neo kai o arxitekronas o pateras tis trinitis!!!

 

I "logiki" mia einai, etsi to skeftikan oi skinothete, etsi to parousiasan. Me alla logia, i logiki ton skinotheton!!!!

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Gia comix den nomizo' date=' alla ta giapwnezika anime ti sxesei exoun? Nai men i idea ton "kiniseon" sto matrix einai parmenes apo anime alla giati kapoios prepei na 3erei apo aftes?

 

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Ti sxesi exoun ta giapwnezika anime me to Matrix?????????

Ti sxesi exoun ta giapwnezika anime me to Matrix?????????

Se paradidw stin mini tou plithous.... :twisted:

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tha to kleidona to topic mono kai mono gia thn yvrh pou dieprakse o pellaras alla exete xarh pou eimai kalos!:D

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kati asxeto.Efoson h Oracle emeine mesa sto matrix gia na voi8isei ton architect, o seraph tin prostatevei apo poion ??? toys agents???

kai aftoi gia to matrix den <<doulevoun>>????