The Matrix Reloaded - Full Spoilers Topic

[Jastonas]

kala ennoeite pws autos pou phge na ton skotwsei htan o smith....! mpein nomizw ton lene sto real (???) world! opote........ isws anatrepete auto pou eipe kapoios prin pws "oti o Neo kapou exei fusiki upostasi (an8rwpino swma) kai mporei na bgei apo to Matrix telika, enw o Smith 8a einai panta pagideumenos sto Matrix, oses dunameis ki an apoktisei!! "

o smith apekthse "kapoia" fysikh ypostash! perase ston kosmo twn an8rwpwn! alla gia na egine auto, mallon prepei na einai matrix within matrix!... den kserw...... MPERDEUOMAI! prepei na doume REVOLUTIONS!!!

[epote]

παιδες οριστε ο διαλογος του architect με τον Neo ετσι να εχουμε να λεμε εγω παντος νομιζω οτι η zion κτλ ειναι στο matrix, καθως αυτο εχει πολλαπλα επιπεδα, και επρεπε να προβλεψουν οι μηχανες ενα ματριξ για το 0,1% των ανθρωπων που δεν δεχονταν το κανονικο ματριξ (ετσι λεει ο architect) in any case σε αναμονη του revolutions παντος εγω και ο nodreams.ct δουλεβουμε σε ενα matrix FAQ που θα ποσταρουμε εδω, εν το μεταξυ εκανα και την κριτικη

 

***********************START***********************************

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

 

Neo - Who are you?

 

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been

waiting

for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered

your

consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers

you

will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while

your

first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize

it is

also irrelevant.

 

Neo - Why am I here?

 

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced

equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the

eventuality

of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable

to

eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision.

While

it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and

thus

not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

 

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

 

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the

others.

 

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Others? What

others? How many? Answer me!'*

 

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting

from

the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in

which

case this is the sixth version.

 

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Five

versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull****.*

 

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me,

or no

one knows.

 

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the

anomaly's

systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

 

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors:

You

can't control me! **** you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me

do

anything!*

 

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

 

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the

Architects room*

 

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally

perfect, it

was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its

monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me

now

as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being,

thus I

redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the

varying

grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by

failure. I

have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it

required

a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of

perfection.

Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program,

initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche.

If I

am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

 

Neo - The Oracle.

 

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution

whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as

long as

they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice

at a

near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously

fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory

systemic

anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself.

Ergo,

those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would

constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

 

Neo - This is about Zion.

 

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed.

Its

every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

 

Neo - Bull****.

 

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Bull****!*

 

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses.

But,

rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we

have

become exceedingly efficient at it.

 

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the

Architects

room.*

 

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the

source,

allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting

the

prime program. After which you will be required to select from the

matrix 23

individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply

with this

process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone

connected

to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will

ultimately

result in the extinction of the entire human race.

 

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to

survive.

 

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to

accept.

However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept

the

responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

 

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and

images of

people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

 

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five

predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a

contingent

affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest

of

your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others

experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more

specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

 

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neos dream appear on the

monitors*

 

Neo - Trinity.

 

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at

the

cost of her own.

 

Neo - No!

 

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth,

wherein the

fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as

both

beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads

to the

source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to

the

matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put,

the

problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't

we?

Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that

signal

the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and

reason.

An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious

truth:

she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

 

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

 

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion,

simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest

weakness.

 

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

 

The Architect - We won't.

*******************END************************************

[FISHERMAN]

Distixws eftasa arga twra spiti kai den prolava na postarw nwritera.Me exete kalupsei kata 99% se polles apopseis.Ontws to ergo exei ksefygei kai goustarw!!Pisteuw se Matrix within the Matrix...Mr.Bein einai o agent Smith...telika to petagma Superman den me xalase toso poly oso otan to eblepa sta trailers.Me xalase to psifiopoihmeno prwsopo tou Neo stis grhgores maxes me tous Smiths,tha mporousan na to kanoun pio realistiko.Me xalasan stin arxi para poly oi agapes,oi erwtes,sex klp opws eipe kai o Trv alla tespa meta h ploki me apozhmiwse!TELOS ME TSATISE to 90% tou kosmou sto cinema pou itan asxetoi,gelousan kai den ikseran tpt peri Matrix klp kai otan bgikan legan "Pw pw malakia,den katalava tpt klp-Poios itan o Ntozer,kalo m***naki h Belluci mono auti aksize klp"Les kai perimenan na doune to Jet Lee sto Star Wars ena prama kai na xwrtasoun mono ksulo kai effects...parapanw den paei to mualo tous.Autaaa polla eipa kourastika.Keep up tin sizitisi an kai poly to psirizoume kai pame apo kathe millisec tis tainies na bgaloume kai bathytero noima.Min to psirizoume toso kai xasoume tin ousia.......

[nakostyphoon]

Πράγματι χθές το είδα και το είδα και άλλες 10 φορές σε divx και το ΜΌΝΟ που με χάλασε ήταν οι σκηνές με τους έρωτες και τον χωρό των ανθρώπων στην Zion.Κατά τα άλλα η ταινία με αποζημίωσε και με το παραπάνω και ειδικά οι σκηνές με τους δεκάδες agents Smith και το κυνηγητό στον highway όπου καισ τις δύο είχε υπέρτατη μουσική υπόκρουση.

 

Βασικά είμαι της άποψης ότι εφόσον ο Neo κατέστρεψε τον "Φρουρό" που τους επιτέθηκε στο τέλος της ταινίας με τις δυνάμεις του που δεν έπρεπε να έχει στον πραγματικό κόσμο , μάλλον ο υποτιθέμενος πραγματικός κόσμος τις Zion δεν είναι και τόσο πραγματικός τελικά.

 

[Jastonas]

telika.... den ginetai alliws! einai matrix within matrix! den ginetai alliws re paidia! XALARA! PAEI K TELEIWSE! TO PHRA APOFASH! eilikrina den 8elw na to pistepsw.... 8elw na pisteuw pws einai o alh8inos kosmos..... k..... isws oi mhxanes apla p.x. ta sentinels einai fake..... kati san ologrammata.... kserw gw! makari na broun mia APISTEUTA GAMATH ekshghsh oi wachofski (pws skata grafetai?!) brothers k na mhn einai matrix se matrix... alla DEN PAIZEI! mporei kapoios na pei enallaktikes?!

btw, nakostyphoon, SVCD einai ! divx den exei bgei akoma:(((((

[Chupacabra]

Egw ekfrazw tin amfibolia mou gia to na einai o Mr Bain o Agent Smith...den uparxei kammia endei3i pou na sundeei autous tous 2 san to idio proswpo, ektos apo to oti kai oi 2 8eloun ton Neo nekro! Emena o Mr Bain mou fainetai san enas deuteros Cipher, enas aplos prodotis, pou den mporese na prosarmostei ston "ali8ino" kosmo (2o Matrix). Twra, an o Agent Smith katafere na paei sti Zion kai na parousiastei san an8rwpos gia na skotwsei ton Neo, megali magkia tou !! Alla pisteuw pws 8a itan polu pio apotelesmatikos san dolofonos, xwris kanena distagmo. Anti8eta, to profile tou Bain deixnei enan prodoti, pou aplws perimenei tin katallili stigmi gia na ekplirwsei tin apostoli tou, kai fusika na glitwsei to tomari tou. E3allou, o Agent Smith 8a mporouse na eixe steilei enan klwno tou sti Zion kai na kanei tin douleia aneta kai grigora, alla profanws, den mporei...

[FISHERMAN]

An thimamai kala tin prwti fora pou antigrafei o Smith ton euato tou san Worm sikwnei to tilefwno kai metafetai.Twra mallon leitourgei san Trojan mesa sto Matrix within the Matrix alla isws den exei tis dynameis pou exei sto Matrix pou ws twra kserame kai pou leitourgouse basi twn kanonwn tou Architect.Den kserw mperdeutika kai egw aman!!!Sigoura h istoria mporei na epanalambanetei opws egine kai me tin epanafora tis Trinity stin Zwi.Kali fasi o tropos pou egine alla me ksenerwse pou egine pali to idio skiniko.Tespa

[wraeththu]

An 8umamai kala sumfwna me osa eixan dilwsei oi aderfoi otan eixe bgei to prwto Matrix, itan to gegonos pws eixan epirreastei apo to filosofika kinimata pou eixan na kanoun me ti suneidisi tis an8rwpinis upar3is.

Ena tetoio problima eixe ekfrastei ws e3is:

Pws mporoume na 3eroume oti auto pou emeis onomazoume zwi den einai para ena oneiro enos allou ontos?

 

Ara opws katalbainete to senario einai toulaxiston 300-400 xronwn palio kai einai polu pi8ano na einai "matrix within matrix" kata to "dream within a dream".

To kurio erwtima pou 8etei einai PWS ANTILAMBANONTAI I AN8RWPOI TI EINAI ALI8INO!

[Chupacabra]

Fisherman, exeis dikio, to eixa 3exasei auto!!! As 8umi8oume: O Agent Smith pianei enan foukara akribws prin sikwsei to tilefwno gia na gurisei sto skafos tou. Ton "metatrepei" se 2o Agent Smith, o opoios meta sikwnei to tilefwno kai paei sto skafos!! Mipws, o foukaras itan o Bain? Mallon nai!! Kai skefteite: Sto skafos pige i "psuxi" tou Smith, i opoia mpike sto swma tou Bain, pou perimene stin karekla tou skafous. Ara, ontws o Smith to ekane to ta3idaki sti Zion, mesa sto swma tou Bain <img src="http://www.insomnia.gr/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . Xriste mou, 8a pa8w egkefaliki sumforisi!! Kai fantasteite telika na min isxuei tipota apo auta pou leme sto Revolutions... axaxaxaxaxa

[Toufas]

ma afto den leo pio pano ego? :/

[Jastonas]

reeeeee to kobw to pouli mou! o SMITH MPHKE STON BAIN! .-

100%! 8a to deite sto 3......! 8a tekmhriwna ki olas thn apopsh mou alla auth th stigmh exw kalesmenous sto spiti k den mporw:P tsiou!

[Chupacabra]

Nai bre Toufas, sugxwra me!! Apla den eixa katalabei ton tropo pou tautistike o Bain me ton Smith, kai i anafora apo ton Fisherman me ekane na dw to fws!! Prepei na pw pantws, pws sumfwnw sxedon me ola ta post sou!! H 8ewria sou gia ton Merovingian mou fainetai polu endiaferousa...cheers!

[klark2000]

katarxin i tainia einai korifi. tin eida 2 fores sta village kai porothika. Yparxoun apeires erminies pou mporei na dosei o kathenas. I idea tou MATRIX within the MATRIX mou akougetai arketa logiki, alla dixnei kapos klemmeni apo to 13th floor. As skeftoumai omos to endexomeno to oti to skafos(den thimamai to onoma tou) pou tous mazevei sto telos xtipaei tous frourous,me kati san EMP, kai auto epiereazei to NEO pou peftei se komma. Pantos sto trailer tou revolutions xtipane tous frourous me ta skafi tous, ean itan matrix within the matrix tote apo tin stigmh pou katalave o Neo oti exei dinames kai sto 2o matrix tha mporouse na tis antimetopisei... kai den nomizei na theloun na mas kanoun na agoniame kratontas to neo se komma gia arketo xrono.

 

Ean o Mr Bein einai telika o Agent tote pali thimizei 13th floor, eite exoume 2 matrix eite oxi.

 

prepei na perimenoume kai to revolution gia na mas lithoun oles oi apories... alla idi perimename 3 kai xronia, anipomonw...

[klark2000]

ean o Merovingian itan kapoios apo tous palious eklektous tote na eixe girisei stin pigi gia na sosei tin zion...

Einai aplos kapoio programma pou den thelise na katastrafei kai girizei eleuthero...

[Chupacabra]

G#$#w to 13th Floor!! Ti 8elan kai to bgalane, mou lete? Isa isa gia na mas xalasei to Matrix!? Kai, enw eimai upostiriktis tis 8ewrias tou "Matrix within the Matrix", arxizw na skeftomai mipws peftoume se kapoia gigantiaia pagida twn Watchofsky, kai ta pragmata einai entelws diaforetika...Na dw pws 8a kataferw na parw adeia apo to fantariko gia na dw to Revolutions kai na mou lu8oun oi apories (feugw fantaros tin Tetarti <img src="http://www.insomnia.gr/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> )