Sxetika me to topic pou apodikniei oti 1=2

[JPG]

<A HREF="http://jpgsite.freeservers.com/apodixi.jpg" TARGET=_blank>web page</A><P>Loipon kitaxte tin parapano apodixi.<BR>Enoite oti kapou iparxei ena lathos, den mporei na isxiei to 0=1. Alla pou einai to lathos?<P>Fantazome enas pou xerei kala olokliromata i kapios mathimatikos tha to bri. Alla oxi kai toso efkola. Einai kala krimeno <P>H apodixei afti den einai diki mou. Tin diabasei apo biblio. Gia afto parakalo osous tin xeroun idi na min apokalipsoun to lathos.

[MyLord]

Και δεν έφτανε το προηγούμενο topic για αυτό το reply κι έπρεπε να ανοίξεις κι άλλο;

[JPG]

Simfona me ton kanona x^a=a*(x^a-1) to (x^(-1))' einai -x^(-2) diladi -(1/(x^2)).<P>H paragogos tou lnx einai to 1/x kai oxi to antitheto. Stin apodixi, paragogizo to 1/x. To -(1/(x^2)) einai i defteri paragogos tou lnx diladi. Elpizo na me katalabes.<BR>Filika Pavlos<P>PS:MyLord o titlos tou topic einai xekatharos(se antithesi me pola alla topic).An den endiaferese den to diabazeis.

[Sta]

As poume oti to sumbolo tou oloklhrwmatos einai to |.<BR>Ka8e aoristo oloklhrwma einai mia "oikogeneia" synarthsewn kai oxi mia synarthsh.Ekei brisketai kai to la8os ston sullogismo tou JPG.<BR>Diladi an milame gia to (0,+ oo),8a einai:<BR>|1/x dx = ln(x) + c,opou c mia sta8era sto R.Gia ka8e timh ths c prokuptei kai mia diaforetikh synarthsh ,pou antistoixei sto parapanw oloklhrwma.An sumbolisw thn oikogeneia ayth me F(x) ,tote o filos JPG katelhxe se ayto: F(x)=F(x) + 1 ,oi oikogeneies F(x) profanws de mporoun na diagrafoun apo ta duo melh,afou ka8e F(x) paristanei polles sunarthseis kai oxi mia.<P>Oson afora kati pou eipe kapoios filos prohgoumenws einai:<BR>| 1/x dx = ln|x| + c gia ka8e x pou anhkei sto R*.<P>P.S.:file JPG ,oson afora to arxiko mou topic,den katalaba thn exhghsh pou dineis ws pros to la8os tou sullogismou.8a mporouses isws na gineis pio safhs?

[JPG]

Epanalambano oti den einai dikos mou silogismos. To diabasa apo biblio me diafora tetoia.<BR>To lathos inai akribos ekei gosta100 oti poli sixna ksexname afto to "c".<BR> <BR>Oso gia ton diko sou silogismo to lathos sou einai to exis:<BR>Les oti paragogizeis oli tin parastasi (Bgazeis koino to x kai to apalifis). Diladi stin ousia diereis oli tin parastasi dia x. Kai les x^2 dia x ison 2x...eno to x^2 dia x mas kanei x.<P>Oriste pos tha eprepe na sinexiseis. Des edo

[sh4dow]

min blepo blakeies....<BR>kala pou sas emathan na oloklironete etsi?<BR><B>$1/x dx = ln|x| + c </B> // paei kai teleiose.

[MTS]

Exw tin edipwsi oti exeis la8os sti grami 2.<BR>Sto x'*(1/x) pou perneis apo ti grami 1 gia na to vgaleis apo to oloklirwma prepei na pareis tin paragogo tou x' pou vgainei 0.<BR>Opote to 1 pou exeis afisei den einai 1 alla 0*(1/x)=0 opote vgainei poly apla I=I.

[sh4dow]

i paragogos tou x (x') einai 0 ?? allo kai touto :):) tote i paragogos arithmou px: 13'=1 .... kai i paragogos f'(x)=(klafta giorika)^[(e^³*¼)-½^²].<BR>sosta pate....

[JPG]

MTS xrisimopoio ton parakato kanona:<BR> <BR>to lathos ston silogismo to episimane o gosta100. Kai exei na kanei me to legomeno c. To exei exigisi analitika o gosta100.<P>sh4dow file mou pios sou ipe oti theloume na <BR>ipologisoume to I? Me afto pou eipes edixes poli periorismeni antilipsi pano sta mathimatika. Elpizo na min eisai mathimatikos.<P>Aftin tin apodixi TO EPANALABANO DEN TIN EGRAPSA EGO ALLA KAPIOS ROSOS AN DEN KANO LATHOS MATHIMATIKOS. Os stoxo exei na apotiposei kala sto mialo tou koinou tou na min ksexnanei to "c".<P>Epitelous as min theoroume ton eafto mas toso exipno.

[psou]

JPG> oso gia to prwto pou les oti vrhkes to la8os, mallon esy kaneis la8os .exeis kanei lan8asmenh paragwgish, o logos gia ton opoio den isxyei ayto yparxei se reply mou edo: <A HREF="http://www.insomnia.gr/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002822" TARGET=_blank>http://www.insomnia.gr/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002822</A><BR>Oso gia to deytero, sou 8ymizw pws sto prwto komati ths paragwdikhs oloklhroshs den exei +c apla $1/xdx=ln|x|+c.

[Sta]

Mias kai anefere o filos JPG,ton oro "stenh antilhpsh" gia ta ma8hmatika,8etw ena allo erwthma,yparxei sunarthsh paragwgisimh se shmeio?Dhladh na leme h synarthsh ayth paragwgizetai sto 1,sto 2 kai pou8ena allou?

[psou]

Mia synarthsh den borei na einai paragwgishmh se ena mono shmeio, giati h paragwgos ekfrazei to ry8mo metavolhs tou x ws pros y.etsi an de metaballetai to x den exei nohma na milame gia paragwgo.h paragwgos orizetai pada se diasthma, yposynolo tou pediou orismou ths synarthshs.

[psou]

Akomh, an skeyteis ton orismo ths paragwgou:<BR>To orio tou logou metavolhs otan TO X TEINEI SE ENAN PRAGMATIKO ARI8MO prepei na einai kai ayto pragmatikos ari8mos.gia na teinei to x gia paradeigma sto 0 8a prepei na orizetai aristera alla kai dexia tou.ara prepei na exeis oposdhpote disthma.

[JPG]

Xmmm<P>Nomizo oti mas ebales ta gialia olous <BR>Exeis dikio. Ego nomiza oti o gosta100 stin apodixi tou dierouse dia x sto deftero bima. Zito signomi alla mperdeftika.<P>Oso gia to lathos se afto pou dimosiefsa einai stin proteleftea sira apou xanampenei to I.

[sh4dow]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JPG:<BR><STRONG>sh4dow file mou pios sou ipe oti theloume na <BR>ipologisoume to I? Me afto pou eipes edixes poli periorismeni antilipsi pano sta mathimatika. Elpizo na min eisai mathimatikos.<BR></STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>giati pios sou eipe oti theloume na ipologisoume to I, edo autos pou tin elise pire oloklirosi kata paragontes ekei pou den xreiazete. oso gia tin erotisi tou gosta100 den tin katalabaino gine pio safis. oso xero mporei na iparxei paragogos stin akri tou pediou orismou tis (akoma kai ean einai mesa) giati opos leei kai enas kathigitis mou den xeroume i akri pos tha einai, ean einai strogyli i myteri ktl