Ποια ειναι καλυτερη καρτα?

[GeorgeMan]

Παιδια εχω να κανω μια ερωτησουλα, πως θα κατατασσατε τις παρακατω καρτες σε ο,τι αφορα αποκλειστικα την 3d αποδοση τους?

 

Ati X1300 256MB (οχι XT, οχι SE, οχι Pro, τη σκετη)

Ati HD2400Pro 256MB

Ati HD3450 256MB

Ati HD3470 256MB

Nvidia 6200 256MB

Nvidia 8400GS 512MB

 

Καθε αποψη δεκτη

[antonl]

Δύσκολο. Κάτι σε multiple choice δεν έχεις;

 

 

 

Οκ δε spamάρω άλλο.

 

 

[GeorgeMan]

Απλα θελω να ξεκαθαρισω λιγο το τοπιο στο μυαλο μου γιατι εχει παραθολωσει με ολες αυτες...

Αν θες βαλτες σε μια σειρα

[antonl]

Εγώ να τις βάλω. Αν είναι κι η σωστή δεν ξέρω

 

6200 < X1300 < 3450 <= 2400Pro <= 8400GS < 3470

 

Μη ζητήσεις αποδείξεις και επιχειρηματολογία. Απλώς κάπως έτσι τις θυμάμαι.

 

edit:

Μια δεύτερη επιλογή είναι:

6200 < X1300 < 2400Pro <= 8400GS <= 3450 < 3470

 

edit2:

Ναι τελικά καταλίγω στο παρακάτω:

6200 < X1300 < 2400Pro <= 8400GS < 3450 < 3470

[GeorgeMan]

Αρα συμφωνουμε στο οτι η 6200 ειναι η χειροτερη και η 3470 η καλυτερη.

Επισης, η 3450 δε μπορει να ειναι χειροτερη απο την 2400 σαν αντικαταστατης της (ή μηπως μπορει?)

 

και κατι αλλο, γιατι υποτιμας την Χ1300? Αποτι ειχα μετρησει ειχε +30% αποδοση απο μια Ati 9600XT (αρα ~= με Ati9800Pro).

[antonl]

Βασικά έκανα ένα final update στο προηγούμενο post μου.

 

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και κατι αλλο, γιατι υποτιμας την Χ1300? Αποτι ειχα μετρησει ειχε +30% αποδοση απο μια Ati 9600XT (αρα ~= με Ati9800Pro).

Δεν την υποτιμάω. Τη βάζω στη θέση που της αξίζει

+30% σε συγκεκριμένα παιχνίδια μήπως;

Δεν ξέρω αλλά απ' το research (που μ εξανάγκασες να κάνω) σε συνδιασμό με τα όσα θυμάμαι, εκεί κατέληξα

[GeorgeMan]

αλλά απ' το research (που μ εξανάγκασες να κάνω)

 

Ειμαι εξαναγκαστήρας εγω

 

Οχι σε συγκεκριμενα παιχνιδια, γενικα (αφου ειχε και 30% περισσοτερα τρανζιστορ ο πυρηνας σε σχεση με την 9600).

 

Παντωs thankss!

 

Περιμενω και τις γνωμες αλλων μελωννν!

[blaxos]

παραθέτω και εγώ λοιπόν τα παρακάτω αν και δεν αναφέρεις αν είναι ddr3 η ddr2 και ποιας εταιρίας-Κατασκευάστριας, να έχουμε πιο ολοκληρωμένη άποψη!

κατατάσσω ως εξής(προσωπικη μου αποψη)

 

6 Ati X1300 256MB (οχι XT, οχι SE, οχι Pro, τη σκετη)

4 Ati HD2400Pro 256MB

3 Ati HD3450 256MB

1 Ati HD3470 256MB

5 Nvidia 6200 256MB

2 Nvidia 8400GS 512MB

 

Ati X1300 256MB

 

Specifications Features

105 million transistors on 90nm fabrication process

Four pixel shader processors

Two vertex shader processors

128-bit 4-channel DDR/DDR2/GDDR3 memory interface

32-bit/1-channel, 64-bit/2-channel, and 128-bit/4-channel configurations

Native PCI Express x16 bus interface

AGP 8x configurations also supported with external bridge chip

Dynamic Voltage Control

High Performance Memory Controller

Fully associative texture, color, and Z/stencil cache designs

Hierarchical Z-buffer with Early Z test

Lossless Z Compression (up to 48:1)

Fast Z-Buffer Clear

Z/stencil xache optimized for real-time shadow rendering

Ultra-Threaded Shader Engine

Support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 programmable vertex and pixel shaders in hardware

Full speed 128-bit floating point processing for all shader operations

Up to 128 simultaneous pixel threads

Dedicated branch execution units for high performance dynamic branching and flow control

Dedicated texture address units for improved efficiency

3Dc+ texture compression

High quality 4:1 compression for normal maps and two-channel data formats

High quality 2:1 compression for luminance maps and single-channel data formats

Multiple Render Target (MRT) support

Render to vertex buffer support

Complete feature set also supported in OpenGL® 2.0

Advanced Image Quality Features

64-bit floating point HDR rendering supported throughout the pipeline

ncludes support for blending and multi-sample anti-aliasing

32-bit integer HDR (10:10:10:2) format supported throughout the pipeline

Includes support for blending and multi-sample anti-aliasing

2x/4x/6x Anti-Aliasing modes

Multi-sample algorithm with gamma correction, programmable sparse sample patterns, and centroid sampling

New Adaptive Anti-Aliasing feature with Performance and Quality modes

Temporal Anti-Aliasing mode

Lossless Color Compression (up to 6:1) at all resolutions, including widescreen HDTV resolutions

2x/4x/8x/16x Anisotropic Filtering modes

Up to 128-tap texture filtering

Adaptive algorithm with Performance and Quality options

High resolution texture support (up to 4k x 4k)

Avivo™ Video and Display Platform

High performance programmable video processor

Accelerated MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264 decoding and transcoding

DXVA support

De-blocking and noise reduction filtering

Motion compensation, IDCT, DCT and color space conversion

Vector adaptive per-pixel de-interlacing

3:2 pulldown (frame rate conversion)

Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time

HDR tone mapping acceleration

Maps any input format to 10 bit per channel output

Flexible display support

Dual integrated DVI transmitters (one dual-link + one single-link)

DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready*

Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs

16 bit per channel floating point HDR and 10 bit per channel DVI output

Programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion (10 bits per color)

Complete, independent color controls and video overlays for each display

High quality pre- and post-scaling engines, with underscan support for all outputs

Content-adaptive de-flicker filtering for interlaced displays

Xilleon™ T encoder for high quality analog output

YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays**

Spatial/temporal dithering enables 10-bit color quality on 8-bit and 6-bit displays Fast, glitch-free mode switching

VGA mode support on all outputs

Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates

Compatible with ATI TV/Video encoder products, including Theater 550

* AMDʼs ATI Radeon™ X and Radeon™ 9550 series of GPUs are capable of processing HDCP signals ("HDCP ready"), however not all ATI Radeon graphics cards are HDCP ready. Please check the applicable ATI Radeon graphics card specification to determine if a particular ATI Radeon graphics card is HDCP ready. Some third parties manufacture graphics cards containing ATI Radeon GPUs -- you can inquire of them which models, if any, are HDCP ready. In addition, playing HDCP content requires additional HDCP ready components, including but not limited to an HDCP ready monitor, disc drive, multimedia application and computer operating system.

**with optional HDTV adapter available from ATI Online Store

CrossFire™

Multi-GPU technology

Inter-GPU communication over PCI Express (no interlink hardware required)

Four modes of operation:

Alternate Frame Rendering (maximum performance)

Supertiling (optimal load-balancing)

Scissor (compatibility)

Super AA 8x/10x/12x/14x (maximum image quality)

HyperMemory™ 2***

2nd generation virtual memory management technology

mproved PCI Express transfer efficiency

Supports rendering to system memory as well as local graphics memory

Ati HD2400Pro 256MB

ATI Radeon™ HD 2400 PRO - Specifications

What's in the Box

ATI Radeon™ HD 2400 PRO graphics card

DVI to HDMI adapter

HDTV Component out adapter

Video-out adapter

Set-up CD

Manuals

System Requirements

PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard

300 Watt or greater power supply recommended

Certified power supplies are recommended. Refer to http://ati.amd.com/CertifiedPSU for a list of Certified products

1GB of system memory

Installation software requires CD-ROM drive

DVD playback requires DVD drive

Blu-ray / HD DVD playback requires Blu-ray / HD DVD drive

Display Support

One Dual-Link DVI-I connector for high-resolution digital displays

ATI Radeon™ DVI-I to HDMI2 with 5.1 audio (adapter)

One VGA analog connector

HDTV Component (YPrPb) output (adapter)

Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions and refresh rates4

TV output requires HDMI, component, S-video or composite cable (not included)

Display Modes

Digital Displays (Connected by DVI)

All Resolutions up to 2560x1600

Analog Displays (Connected by VGA)

All resolutions up to 2048x1536

TV-out

SDTV (analog): 480i | 525i

HDTV (analog): 1080p | 1080i | 720p | 480p | Custom resolution3

HDTV (digital): 720p | 480p | Custom resolution3

Note: Resolutions are limited by the performance of the attached monitor.

 

Ati HD3450 256MB

 

Κατασκευαστής Chipset ATI

Σειρά Chipset Radeon

Chipset HD 3450

Μέγιστη Ανάλυση 2560x1600

Μνήμη 256 MB

Τύπος Μνήμης DDR2

Memory Interface 64 Bit

Υποστήριξη DirectX DirectX 10.1

Υποστήριξη Open GL OpenGL 2.0

Υποστήριξη HDCP Ναι

Δυνατότητα Παράλληλης Λειτουργίας ATI CrossFireX

Σύστημα Ψύξης Active

HDMI output Ναι

 

Ati HD3470 256MB

 

181 million transistors on 55nm fabrication process

PCI Express 2.0 x16 bus interface

64-bit DDR2/GDDR3 memory interface

Microsoft® DirectX® 10.1 support

Shader Model 4.1

32-bit floating point texture filtering

Indexed cube map arrays

Independent blend modes per render target

Pixel coverage sample masking

Read/write multi-sample surfaces with shaders

Gather4 texture fetching

Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture

40 stream processing units

Dynamic load balancing and resource allocation for vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders

Common instruction set and texture unit access supported for all types of shaders

Dedicated branch execution units and texture address processors

128-bit floating point precision for all operations

Command processor for reduced CPU overhead

Shader instruction and constant caches

Up to 16 texture fetches per clock cycle

Up to 128 textures per pixel

Fully associative vertex/texture cache design

•XTC and 3Dc+ texture compression

High resolution texture support (up to 8192 x 8192)

•ully associative texture & Z/stencil cache designs

Early Z test, Re-Z, Z Range optimization, and Fast Z Clear

Lossless Z & stencil compression

8 render targets (MRTs) with anti-aliasing support

Physics processing support

Dynamic Geometry Acceleration

Programmable tessellation unit

Accelerated geometry shader path for geometry amplification

Memory read/write cache for improved stream output performance

Anti-aliasing features

Multi sample anti aliasing (2 or 4 samples per pixel)

Custom Filter Anti-Aliasing (CFAA) for improved quality

Adaptive super-sampling and multi-sampling

Temporal anti-aliasing

Gamma correct

Super AA (ATI CrossFire™ configurations only)

All anti-aliasing features compatible with HDR rendering

Texture filtering features

2x/4x/8x/16x high quality adaptive anisotropic filtering modes (up to 128 taps per pixel)

128-bit floating point HDR texture filtering

Bicubic filtering

RGB filtering (gamma/degamma)

Percentage Closer Filtering (PCF)

Depth & stencil texture (DST) format support

Shared exponent HDR (RGBE 9:9:9:5) texture format support

OpenGL 2.0 support

ATI Avivo™ HD Video and Display Platform

Dedicated unified video decoder (UVD) for H.264/AVC and VC-1 video formats

High definition (HD) playback of both Blu-ray and HD DVD formats

Hardware MPEG-1, MPEG-2, and DivX video decode acceleration

Motion compensation and IDCT

ATI Avivo Video Post Processor

Color space conversion

Chroma subsampling format conversion

Horizontal and vertical scaling

Gamma correction

Advanced vector adaptive per-pixel de-interlacing

De-blocking and noise reduction filtering

Detail enhancement

Inverse telecine (2:2 and 3:2 pull-down correction)

Bad edit correction

τwo independent display controllers

Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions, refresh rates, color controls and video overlays for each display

Full 30-bit display processing

programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion

Spatial/temporal dithering provides 30-bit color quality on 24-bit and 18-bit displays

High quality pre- and post-scaling engines, with underscan support for all display outputs

Content-adaptive de-flicker filtering for interlaced displays

Fast, glitch-free mode switching

Hardware cursor

Two integrated DVI display outputs

Primary supports 18-, 24-, and 30-bit digital displays at all resolutions up to 1920x1200 (single-link DVI) or 2560x1600 (dual-link DVI)1

Secondary supports 18-, 24-, and 30-bit digital displays at all resolutions up to 1920x1200 (single-link DVI only)1

Each includes HDCP encoder with on-chip key storage for maximum resolution playback of protected content2

Two integrated DisplayPort™ outputs

upports 24- and 30-bit displays at all resolutions up to 2560x16001

1, 2, or 4 lanes per output, with data rate up to 2.7 Gbps per lane

Two integrated 400 MHz 30-bit RAMDACs

Each supports analog displays connected by VGA at all resolutions up to 2048x15361

HDMI output support

Supports all display resolutions up to 1920x10801

ntegrated HD audio controller with up to 2 channel 48 kHz stereo or multichannel(5.1) AC3 enabling a plug-and-play cable-less audio solution

Integrated AMD Xilleon™ HDTV encoder

Provides high quality analog TV output (component/S-video/composite)

Supports SDTV and HDTV resolutions

Underscan and overscan compensation

MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, WMV9, VC-1, and H.264/AVC encoding and transcoding

Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time

VGA mode support on all display outputs

ATI PowerPlay™

Advanced power management technology for optimal performance and power savings

Performance-on-Demand

Constantly monitors GPU activity, dynamically adjusting clocks and voltage based on user scenario

Clock and memory speed throttling

Voltage switching

Dynamic clock gating

Central thermal management – on-chip sensor monitors GPU temperature and triggers thermal actions as required

 

Nvidia 6200 256MB

The NVIDIA® 6200 graphics processing units (GPUs) featuring NVIDIA® TurboCache™ technology take full advantage of the PCI Express bus to deliver the turbocharged system performance you need to play all the hottest games and applications.

Feature NVIDIA® TurboCache™* technology for turbocharged PC performance

Deliver GeForce 6 Series performance and features at an affordable price

Feature support for up to 128MB or 256MB configurations

Are the only Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0c Shader Model 3.0 GPUs in their class so you play all the latest games

Feature NVIDIA® PureVideo™ technology to deliver crisp, vibrant video on the PC

*Applies only to products with TurboCache enabled

Available models: GeForce 6200,

Memory Supports 128MB

or 256MB

Effective Memory Bandwidth

(GB/sec) 13.6*

Fill Rate (pixels/sec) 1.4 billion*

Vertices per Second (million) 263*

Pixels per Clock (peak) 4

RAMDACs 400 MHz

 

Nvidia 8400GS 512MB

 

Bus Type: PCI-E

GPU Clock: 450 Mhz

Memory Bus: 64

Memory Type: DDR2

Memory Size: 512 MB

Memory Speed: 533 Mhz

Thermal Solution: FANSINK

Minimum Power Supply Requirement: 300 Watt

Outputs: VGA, DVI, HDTV

Card Dimensions: 6.6" x 4.376" x 0.75"

[GeorgeMan]

Μμμμμμ ευχαριστω για το χρονο σου, αλλα γιατι κατατασσεις 6η μια καρτα με 128bit διαυλο (Χ1300) και δευτερη μια με 64bit που ειναι μολις μια γενια εμπρος?

 

Οσο αφορα τις μνημες, εχεις δικιο, να πω λοιπον:

Ati X1300 256MB DDR2 533

Ati HD2400Pro 256MB DDR2 800

Ati HD3450 256MB DDR2 1000

Ati HD3470 256MB ddr3 1400MHz

Nvidia 6200 256MB ddr2 533

Nvidia 8400GS 512MB ddr2 1000MHz

[blaxos]

Μμμμμμ ευχαριστω για το χρονο σου, αλλα γιατι κατατασσεις 6η μια καρτα με 128bit διαυλο (Χ1300) και δευτερη μια με 64bit που ειναι μολις μια γενια εμπρος?

 

Οσο αφορα τις μνημες, εχεις δικιο, να πω λοιπον:

Ati X1300 256MB DDR2 533

Ati HD2400Pro 256MB DDR2 800

Ati HD3450 256MB DDR2 1000

Ati HD3470 256MB ddr3 1400MHz

Nvidia 6200 256MB ddr2 533

Nvidia 8400GS 512MB ddr2 1000MHz

 

αυτες οι εκδοσεις που παραχωρισα ειναι οι στανταρ και οντως γι΄αυτο το λογο την εβαλα 2η επειδη ειναι πιο καινουρια-προσφατο μοντελο!

[liopyr]

GeorgeMan προς τι όλο αυτό?

Φτιαχνεις τίποτα charts?

 

Να μπλέξω το παιχνίδι κι άλλο?

Ποια είναι πιο φθηνή, ποια έχει τις καλύτερες υλοποιήσεις, ποια παίζει καλύτερα HD, ποια είναι η πιο αθόρυβη,ποια καίει λιγότερο, ποια έχει πιο καλά υποστηριζόμενους drivers, ποια έχει πιο ωραία εμφάνιση...

 

 

[GeorgeMan]

Χμμ οχι δε φτιαχνω charts.

Αν ειχα 5000? διαθεσιμα θα αγοραζα δυο απο ολες τις καρτες που κυκλοφορουν και θα τις πεθαινα στα charts (πιστεψε με με πωρωνουν ), αλλα τωρα οχι.

 

Απλα θελω να ξεκαθαρισω τι επιδοσεις εχει η καθεμια απο αυτες συγκρινομενη με τις αλλες γιατι χα εχω μπλεγμενα στο μυαλο μου.

 

(PS: Λες μετα απο αυτο να γινω σαν αυτον στη πικ? )

 

αυτες οι εκδοσεις που παραχωρισα ειναι οι στανταρ και οντως γι΄αυτο το λογο την εβαλα 2η επειδη ειναι πιο καινουρια-προσφατο μοντελο!

 

Κακως

Π.χ. η 6800ULTRA ειχε καλυτερες επιδοσεις απο ολες τις midrange-lowend της επομενης γενιας και καλυτερες και απο τις lowend των 3 επομενων γενιων...

[liopyr]

(PS: Λες μετα απο αυτο να γινω σαν αυτον στη πικ? )

 

Yeap. NerD AlerT!