AMD 2600+..

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thelo enan................

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[MoUCLAs]

http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzQx

http://tech-report.com/reviews/2002q3/athlonxp-2600/index.x?pg=1

http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=202

http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=84360

http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/processor/xp2600.htm

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/articles.hwz?cid=2&aid=493

[kavaliotis]

Den aksizei, perimenoume ligo akoma na bgei o 2700+ kai o 2800+ pou 8a exoun kai 333FSB, opote kai 8a petane!!! Krima na doseis tosa lefta kai na mhn perimeneis na bgei to amesos epomeno montelo pou 8a exei kai 333FSB uposthriksh..

[clairvoyant]

33MHz perissotero FSB den 8a dwsoyn spoydaies epidoseis ston Athlon XP (katw apo 10% beltiwsh sigoura, mporei kai katw apo 5%). To exw diabasei se arketa sites... me apla logia, o Athlon den dipsaei gia ayta ta MHz..

 

ayto poy pragmatika 8a anebasei ton Athlon einai o pyrhnas Barton... den 3erw pote 8a kykloforhsei, anamonh.... ayto poy 3erw sigoura einai pws h maxh oso paei kai anabei perissotero!

 

Egw eimai aisiodo3os yper ths AMD, dioti me ton Athlon XP 2600+ katafere na plhsiasei poly konta (kai se orismena shmeia na perasei) ton koryfaio P4, kai malista xwris allges ston pyrhna! Aplws h sxediash kai proste8hke 9o layer alouminiou...

 

Opote, me ton barton poy 8a exei diplasia L2 Cache kai beltiwmeno pyrhna, h Intel 8a prepei na exei kati pragmatika kalo gia na antagwnistei thn AMD, diaforetika toys blepw na trexoyn kai na mhn ftanoyn na anebasoyn ta GHz toy P4.. Kai fysika eidame oloi pws h AMD pleon me ton Thoroughbred "B" exei polla peri8wria na anebasei ki ayth ta GHz.

 

Let the fight begin! <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

[MoUCLAs]

fantazomai oti aytoi me to fsb sta 333 den 8a mporoyn na mpoyn se mia kt266a mhtrikh..?

[TonyMontana]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MoUCLAs:

<strong>fantazomai oti aytoi me to fsb sta 333 den 8a mporoyn na mpoyn se mia kt266a mhtrikh..?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">aptin stigmi pou ksekleidwnei o pollaplasiastis den paizei rolo gia pio bus einai ftiagmeno to cpu. i mitrikes me kt266a tha mporoun na paiksoun sta 166MHz FSB alla se overclocking mode giati den exoun divider (nomizw oles) gia tis PCI/AGP slots.

 

epeita o 2.13 (2600+) AXP ftanei mexri 2800MHz me ocing kai kali psuksi - 2400MHz einai eukola me aples/fthinoteres luseis psiksis.

[clairvoyant]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> epeita o 2.13 (2600+) AXP ftanei mexri 2800MHz me ocing kai kali psuksi - 2400MHz einai eukola me aples/fthinoteres luseis psiksis </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">an "kalh psy3h" ennoeis eidikh me8odo Ice Cooling wste h CPU na einai stoys -41'C tote paw paso..

 

facts:

*overclock sta 2800MHz mono me ICE cooling kai mono gia mikro xroniko diasthma (Unstable)

*overclock sta 2666MHz mono me ICE cooling (Stable)

*overclock sta 2400MHz "Together with the best watercooling system available on the market" (stable)

 

gia na 3eroyme kai ti diabazoyme....

[Gryspnik]

Εάν κανέις προσέξει τα benchmarks θα παρατηρίσει ότι εκεί που χάνει ο Athlon, είναι μόνον σε εφαρμογές οι οποίες χρησιμοποιούν εντολές SSE2 (μιάς και δεν τις υλοποιεί) και σε οτιδήποτε χρειάζεται γρήγορη μεταφορά δεδομένων μεταξύ της μνήμης και του επεξεργαστή. Εκεί είναι που "πονάει". Τον Οκτόβριο θα κυκλοφορίσει ο 2700+ ο οποίος θα υποστηρίζει fsb στα 333MHz το οποίο είναι μια αύξηση της τάξεως του 25% (απο τα 266 που είναι σήμερα). Η επιδόσεις δεν θα αυξηθούν σε όλες τις εφαρμογές παρά μόνον σε αυτές οι οποίες απαιτούν υψηλές ταχύτητες διαμεταγωγής δεδομένων όπως προείπα (και πιστέψτε με, είναι πολλές). Για περισσότερες λεπτομέρειες δείτε το http://www.xbitlabs.com/cpu/athlon-xp-2600/

Οπότε να περιμένετε αρκετά μεγάλη αύξηση στις επιδόσεις. Γενικώς πάντως το όπλο της AMD είναι ο HAMMER, ο οποίος θα συμπεριλαμβάνει και τις εντολές SSE2 και θα πετάει στις εφαρμογές οι οποίες είναι γραμμένες για 64bit.

[clairvoyant]

anandtech:

"The lack of 333MHz FSB support on the 2600+ and 2400+ parts isn't too disappointing because, as we mentioned before, there is not much performance to be gained by moving to a faster FSB at these clock speeds; the Athlon XP simply isn't starved by its 266MHz FSB, but as speeds do increase a faster FSB may become necessary."

 

H oysia einai pws to chipset kanei megalh zhmia stis epidoseis toy Athlon (kala, EIDIKA stoys forhtoys ypologistes ta chipsets gia Athlon einai ektos topoy kai xronoy...)

 

tomshardware:

"In extreme cases, the difference in memory access speed can be up to 30%. However, in this regard, AMD is not the guilty one, since the chipsets come from other manufacturers. VIA continues to have problems designing a high-performance memory interface "

[kavaliotis]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by clairvoyant:

<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> epeita o 2.13 (2600+) AXP ftanei mexri 2800MHz me ocing kai kali psuksi - 2400MHz einai eukola me aples/fthinoteres luseis psiksis </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">an "kalh psy3h" ennoeis eidikh me8odo Ice Cooling wste h CPU na einai stoys -41'C tote paw paso..

 

facts:

*overclock sta 2800MHz mono me ICE cooling kai mono gia mikro xroniko diasthma (Unstable)

*overclock sta 2666MHz mono me ICE cooling (Stable)

*overclock sta 2400MHz "Together with the best watercooling system available on the market" (stable)

 

gia na 3eroyme kai ti diabazoyme....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Eisai sigouros gia auto? Ego diabasa gia overclocking sta 2450 peripou me aplo air cooling..

[TonyMontana]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by clairvoyant:

<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> epeita o 2.13 (2600+) AXP ftanei mexri 2800MHz me ocing kai kali psuksi - 2400MHz einai eukola me aples/fthinoteres luseis psiksis </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">gia na 3eroyme kai ti diabazoyme....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ela mparmpa mou na sou deiksw ta ampeloxwrafa sou.

 

2400MHz ginetai aneta me mia Alpha kai ena metrio 80ari fan.

 

<small>[ 23-08-2002, 09:33: Το μήνυμα επεξεργάστηκε από: TonyMontana ]</small>

[clairvoyant]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> ela mparmpa mou na sou deiksw ta ampeloxwrafa sou.

2400MHz ginetai aneta me mia Alpha kai ena metrio 80ari fan.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tony fantazomai oti exeis enan ap'toys elaxistoys Athlon 2600+ poy kykloforoyn kai milas me tosh sigouria. Egw 3erw ti diabazw sta kalytera kai ka8ierwmena hardware sites...

 

Den eida se kapoio site na ginetai overclock me "aplh psyktra" alla oyte me "alpha + metrio 80ari fan".

 

Ektos ki an (pali ta idia... )metrio fan ennoeis kana delta ap'ayta poy mas pairnoyn ta aytia. Giati me tetoia, xairw poly...

 

Kai telos pantwn den exei nohma na einai stable h CPU kai na doyleyei stoys 60+ 'C. Ayto den einai safe computing, einai ampeloxwrafa computing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

[TonyMontana]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by clairvoyant:

<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> ela mparmpa mou na sou deiksw ta ampeloxwrafa sou.

2400MHz ginetai aneta me mia Alpha kai ena metrio 80ari fan.

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tony fantazomai oti exeis enan ap'toys elaxistoys Athlon 2600+ poy kykloforoyn kai milas me tosh sigouria. Egw 3erw ti diabazw sta kalytera kai ka8ierwmena hardware sites...

 

Den eida se kapoio site na ginetai overclock me "aplh psyktra" alla oyte me "alpha + metrio 80ari fan".

 

Ektos ki an (pali ta idia... )metrio fan ennoeis kana delta ap'ayta poy mas pairnoyn ta aytia. Giati me tetoia, xairw poly...

 

Kai telos pantwn den exei nohma na einai stable h CPU kai na doyleyei stoys 60+ 'C. Ayto den einai safe computing, einai ampeloxwrafa computing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

 

suntoma tha ginei eurews gnwsto pws 2400Mhz ginontai me kalo aircooling - kai pros theou oxi delta! kai se ligo kairo pou tha veltiwthoun ta yields tha vlepoume akoma pio eukolo oc apo ton 2600+ (kai ton 2400+) ..kai skepsou oti exw ginei intelakias <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />