VorlonShadow Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Katarxin na sou ksekathariso Mad oti den ipostirizo oute tin Intel oute tin AMD. Afto pou ipostirizo einai h tsepi mou kai ti tin simferei pio poli. To thema paramenei oti tora se simferei pio poli na pareis Intel. Isos se 3-4 mhnes me ton Tbred na se simferei pali AMD alla gia opoion skeftete gia tora Intel. Oso gia afta pou anafereis tha sou protina na diabaseis prota afto: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1574&p=1 Tha deis oti sta sigritika ta pragmata einai moirasmena. Ara eite pareis Intel eite AMD pisteueis oti tha deis toso terastia diafora stis epidoseis? Den to nomizo. Prin bgei o North oi P4 htan akriboi kai den simferan. Alla tora o North einai arketa ftinos, eno den xreiazontai ekstra lefta gia nea psiktra an se endiaferei to pousarisma. Kai einai gnosto poso tis baran tis kales tis psiktres stin Ellada. Tora simfona me tin Intel den tha allaksei gia kana xrono allo to socket ton P4 ara gia toulaxiston ena xrono tha mporeis na ton anabathmizeis. Isxuei to idio gia ton Tbred? Na pareis kati tora pou se 3-4 mhnes isos xreiastei allagh? Telos epeidh thelo o/c opos eipes alla den thelo thoribo edo kai 1.5 xrono asxoloume me watercool. Ontos kaneis to mhxanima teleios isixo se simeio na se enoxlei o diskos <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> alla posa skas. Molis prin ena mhna eskasa gia akomh mia fora 120.000 ( mazi me teloneia kai metaforika ) gia na paro Maze2 kai alla kaloudia ( gamoto barethika na perimeno gia to Spiral <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> alla pou tha paei tha to paro ) kai akomi den teleiosa. Me ton Intel den tha ta xreiazomouna h mallon tha ta xreiazomouna mono gia x-tream o/c mias kai me tin stadar psiktra einai athoribos. Aftoi einai oi logoi pou pisteuo oti simferei pio poli o P4. Alla afta se 3-4 mhnes mporei na allaksoun. Mhn ksexname kai ton Hammer e? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> Tha prepei na arxiso na mazeuo pali fraga. <img border="0" title="" alt="[big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <small>[ 03-03-2002, 11:50: Το μήνυμα επεξεργάστηκε από: VorlonShadow ]</small>
VorlonShadow Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Simfono oti an ksereis ti kaneis tote den tha exeis kanena apolitos problima. To thema omos einai oti o P4 einai pio friendly now. Ton bazeis pano sto mobo bazis tin psiktra pou erxete sto kouti, beneis Bios bazeis FSB sta 150 kai eisai ready to go sta 2.4 <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> . Gia tin RDRAM an thes bale. Eksalou oi times einai pano kato idies ( stin Amerikh eidh einai pio fthnes apo DDR ). Pantos epeidh o P4 thelei polu memory bandwidth bazontas ton sta 2.4 tou dineis arketo oste na mhn katalabeneis diafora. To thema otan pas sta 0.13m den einai toso oi pollaplasiastes oso h tash. Tora default einai 1.75v. To pio pithano stous Tbred na einai xamilotero. Isos 1.65 - 1.70. Tha mporoun ta sigekrimena mobo me mia anabathmish sto bios na allaksoun tin tash? Eksalou se 4-5 mhnes h via bgazei to KT400 opote kapos prepei na to proothisei <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />
runner1 Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Symfwnw me ton crass se ayta pou eipan kai me to madsurfer!!! Apo pou ki ws pou symferei na parei kaneis intel meta apo ayta ta epixeirimata???H p4 xwris rdram den aksizoun to paramikro!!Min ksexname oti h intel exei idi xasei tin maxi apo tin amd apo tote pou bghkan oi prwtoi athlon (k7) kai synexizei na kerdizei oles tis maxes!Bebea den exei kataferei na kerdisei ton polemo kati pou bebea einai ligo dyskolo gia logous pou den mporw na grapsw twra giati den exw xrono.Ena endeiktiko tis httas einai oti h intel anagkastike na ypostiriksei mnimes sdram kai ddr ram(oi opoies ftiaxtikan eidika gia tous athlon!!!!) afou eblepe oti h rd ram einai kathara "klepsimo"!! Kai kati teleytaio:Min epanalambanetai synexws oti h amd exoun problimata me tin thermotita!!!!Kai oi p4 an den synodeyontousan apo to ergostasio me tin katallili psyktra..........tote tha sou elega egw poses kammenes cpu p4 tha eixame!!!H amd sou dinei tin dynatotita na dialekseis esy ti thes na baleis analoga me tin douleia pou thes na kaneis!Thes o/c?Bale kali psyktra kai fan!Thes kanoniki leitourgia?Bale metra psyktra kai anemistiraki!! Ayta to lew giati osoi den exoun idea apo pc diabazoun ta peri problimata thermotitas kai apefthias bgazoun to symperasma oti oi amd einai skarti!!!!!!Pragma APARADEKTO!!!! An den thelete na kanete magkies me tin cpu (ennow o/c) den yparxei periptwsi na kaei h amd cpu pou na xtypate ton kwlo sas katw!! Ayta eixa na pw kai tha kanw ki allo post mallon to brady gia na pw ki alla pragmata!
TonyMontana Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by crAss: <strong>A, kati akoma. Anaferthike kati gia to oti den eimaste sigouroi pos oi kainourgioi AMD tha ipostirizontai apo ta simerina boards. Ego pistevo pos einai pio pithano na tous ipostirizoun gia ena logo. I AMD pote den exei afisei os tora xekremastous tous pelates tis allazntas san tin intel 10-10 ta socket. To mb pou exo exei chipset to AMD 761. O pollaplasiastis einai to mono pragma pou rithmizetai apo jumperakia pano sto board. Gia olous tous thunderbird kai tous XP arkoun 5 jumperakia gia na dosoun olous tous aparaititous pollaplasiastes. Kai omos to board exei 6 jumperakia sti seira, undocumented to ekto sto manual alla auto toulaxiston emena mou leei pos iparxei pronoisi gia to melon. crAss</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">pantos o hammer fenetai na thelei alli mobo <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img src="http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020227/images/9.jpg" alt="" /> http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020227/index.html
Deathstar Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 3 Μαρτίου 2002 Runner1 pou ta diavazis auta ithela na iksera "Ena endeiktiko tis httas einai oti h intel anagkastike na ypostiriksei mnimes sdram kai ddr ram(oi opoies ftiaxtikan eidika gia tous athlon!!!!) afou eblepe oti h rd ram einai kathara "klepsimo"!!" I Intel anagastike na ipostiriksi tin DDR kathos evgale i VIA chip ipostiriksis tis se platformes me P4 pigan sta dikatsiria kathos i Intel eixe simvoleo me tin RAMBUS kai exase gia monopoliakous ologous opote anagastika gia na min xasi agorastiko kino ipostirikse kai tin DDR. Tin SDRAM tin ipostirize apo tin arxi. Episis min ksexname kai tis times ton DDR 70.000 to 512 pia i diafora apo tin RAMBUS? Emena mou kostise 80 xiliades to kathe 512 tis Crucial poso megali diafora exi apo tin RAMBUS stin timi?Pou einai kai pio grigori xoris amfivolies. <small>[ 03-03-2002, 15:47: Το μήνυμα επεξεργάστηκε από: Deathstar ]</small>
runner1 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Deathstar: <strong>Runner1 pou ta diavazis auta ithela na iksera "Ena endeiktiko tis httas einai oti h intel anagkastike na ypostiriksei mnimes sdram kai ddr ram(oi opoies ftiaxtikan eidika gia tous athlon!!!!) afou eblepe oti h rd ram einai kathara "klepsimo"!!" I Intel anagastike na ipostiriksi tin DDR kathos evgale i VIA chip ipostiriksis tis se platformes me P4 pigan sta dikatsiria kathos i Intel eixe simvoleo me tin RAMBUS kai exase gia monopoliakous ologous opote anagastika gia na min xasi agorastiko kino ipostirikse kai tin DDR. Tin SDRAM tin ipostirize apo tin arxi. Episis min ksexname kai tis times ton DDR 70.000 to 512 pia i diafora apo tin RAMBUS? Emena mou kostise 80 xiliades to kathe 512 tis Crucial poso megali diafora exi apo tin RAMBUS stin timi?Pou einai kai pio grigori xoris amfivolies.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ayto me tin htta den to ennoousa san leksi kyriolektika!Opws katalabes ekeini tin wra ta egrafa grigora ayta pou diabazeis esy! Gia to an ypostirize prin sd ram den thimamai twra!Exw kollisei alla an baleis sd ram tote o p4 einai teleiws gia klamata!!! Se ayta pou les gia ta dikastiria symfwnw en merei!Alla giati na strafei h intel se ddr mnimes???????Eipes gia na min xasei agorastiko koino!!Ara ayto ti shmainei?Anarwtithikes?Skepsou to ligo kai tha katalabeis ti ennow! An den me pistebeis kiolas pou sou lew oti otan prwtobghkan oi p4 oti oi ypefthinoi tis intel elegan synexws oti oi p4 tha douleboun apokleistika me rd ram tote tha psaksw na scannarw tin selida apo ena apo ta polla periodika pou to eixa diabasei ayto!Akoma kai sto internet to eixa diabasei ekeini tin epoxi! Oson afora tis times gia mnimes......asto kalytera giati esy mou sygkrineis tis pio akribes mnimes ddr me tis rd ram!Diladi oi fthinoteres den kanoun tin douleia tous?Min leme blakeies!Entaksei,den lew.Allon einai na exeis epwnymi ram alla min nomizeis oti exei kai megales diafores!!! Oson afora ton hammer pou tha bgei tha ypostirizei ontws alli mobo alla min ksexname oti den tha einai epeksergastis 32bit alla 64bit omws tha ypostirizei kai 32bit efarmoges!Tha einai diladi ena "ybridio" cpu 64bit!!Ara tha exei diaforetiki arxitektoniki/kataskeyh,peite to opws thelete..... me apotelesma na xreiazetai kainoirio motherboard!Pistebw oti einai logiko kai oxi ayto pou ekane h intel me tous p4 pou afou tous ebgale meta apo ligo kairo ebgale tous epomenous p4 me diaforetiko socket me apotelesma osoi biasthkan na empisteftoun tin intel kai na agorasoun to kainourio ths proion na meinoun ksekremastoi me ena mobo pou tha tous einai axrhsto metepeita gia anabathmisi!!!!!!!An ayto den einai koroidia tote ti einai??????Ayto htan ena apo ta pio kseftilistika pragmata pou ekane pote h intel!!!!!!!!
CENTAURUS Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Μέλος Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 den ksero ti na po,exo mperdeutei pantos... eida kai to sugritiko pou exei sto http://www.anandtech.com/ kai diapistosa pos oi epidoseis tou xp1.8 einai paromoies me autes tou p4NW 2.0 kai se orismenes periptoseis akoma kai me autes tou p4NW 2.2!! Opote,auto pou exo katalabei ,einai pos:an afhso tis cpu opos einai,o xp einai sigura grhgoroteros.Ean tora tha theliso na exo tis idies epidoseis me ton xp1.8 tha prepei na pousaro ton p4 sta 2.0-2.2Ghz ,upotheto,isos kai xoris na xreiasto xtra anemisthra...eno ean theliso na pousaro ton xp1.8 sta 1.8Ghz kserogo, tha xreiasto kana 2-3 anemisthres parapano ,alla den tha me pianei oute o p4NW sta 2.2...!xmmm... den ksero polla gia ta overclocarismata,alla upotheto pos o p4NW 1.6 ginete eukola 2.2. xoris xtra anemisthres k.t.l.p.,opote sthn ousia den tithete thema taxuthtas metaksu tou xp1.8 kai tou p4NW1.6~2.0~2.2...me to standar anemhsthra tou koutiou... ta leo sosta h' kati ksexnao? enoo pera apo mhtrikes... <img border="0" title="" alt="[smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> The Pentium 4 2.2 will cost a bit more although it runs significantly cooler and has much more overclocking headroom, if combined with an 845 DDR platform you'll have one of the most stable setups we've ever tested
crAss Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Tosa atoma sto eipame pio pano. Xexnas to MEMORY BANDWIDTH. An thes na katalixeis se P4 pare RDRAM kai tha mas thimitheis olous edo pou sou eipame auta ta pragmata. crAss
Deathstar Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Runner1 "Ayto me tin htta den to ennoousa san leksi kyriolektika!Opws katalabes ekeini tin wra ta egrafa grigora ayta pou diabazeis esy! Gia to an ypostirize prin sd ram den thimamai twra!Exw kollisei alla an baleis sd ram tote o p4 einai teleiws gia klamata!!! Se ayta pou les gia ta dikastiria symfwnw en merei!Alla giati na strafei h intel se ddr mnimes???????Eipes gia na min xasei agorastiko koino!!Ara ayto ti shmainei?Anarwtithikes?Skepsou to ligo kai tha katalabeis ti ennow! An den me pistebeis kiolas pou sou lew oti otan prwtobghkan oi p4 oti oi ypefthinoi tis intel elegan synexws oti oi p4 tha douleboun apokleistika me rd ram tote tha psaksw na scannarw tin selida apo ena apo ta polla periodika pou to eixa diabasei ayto!Akoma kai sto internet to eixa diabasei ekeini tin epoxi! Oson afora tis times gia mnimes......asto kalytera giati esy mou sygkrineis tis pio akribes mnimes ddr me tis rd ram!Diladi oi fthinoteres den kanoun tin douleia tous?Min leme blakeies!Entaksei,den lew.Allon einai na exeis epwnymi ram alla min nomizeis oti exei kai megales diafores!!!" Einai gia klamata o P4 me SDRAM ides tis polisis se Sistimata P4 me RDRAM? Me to pou anevika i times mnimon i perisoteri strafikan se pio ftines lisis. Oso gia tis times malon ksana kita tes 70.000 DDR 512 tin exi to Plaisio kai den ferni kai tipota eponimes "412643 512 MB DDR DIMM PC2100-266 LIFETIME WARRANTY 225.67 76897 ΔΡΧ ". To enmeri simfonias sou gia to dikastirio den to katalaveno kathos einai katagegramena gegonota pou den alazoun ala kai pali ti na po...... Tora oso to giati na strafi se DDR dioti tha xasi pelates diladi autous pou den exoun na dosoun gia RAMBUS ala den theloun kai SDRAM kai efoson tous dini mia ali etairia tin dinatotia na exoun kati endiameso me DDR logiko einai na min theloun na xasoun pelates. Ala oxi emis epimenoume oti einai ita tis Intel kai niki opion theloume ekastote.
runner1 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Ayto me ta dikastiria einai swsto!Egw lathos ekfrastika!!!Pantws egw den tha eperna me ti pota ayto ton kairo p4 giati einai megali koroidia!Exw barethei na ta xwnw ta lefta mou se oles tis etaireies pou epeidi exoun ftiaksei onoma meta apo xronia prepei ayto na plirwnwis kai oxi ayto pou perneis!!!!!Ayti tin stigmh oi p4 gia tis epidoseis kai gia tin texnologia pou ypotithetai pws prosferoun einai gia klamata.As elpisoume na ftiaksei ayto kai tote ki egw tha strafw se aytous.An kai h amd problepw oti tha bgazei koryfaious epeksergastes gia poly kairo akoma (blepe hammer)!Toulaxiston h amd den koroidepse tous katanalwtes tis me ta diafora!Pistebw oti symfwneis se ayta gia ayto kai den aneferes sto proigoumeno post sou tipota gia ayta (ennow to thema me ta sockets k.a.)!
crAss Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 DIo pragmatakia 1. An thes P4 MONO ME RDRAM mnimi tha exeis axioprepeis epidoseis kapos antagonistikes(stin idia taxitita) ola ta ipoloipa einai malakies 2. Oi AMD zestainontai alla oxi toso oste na dimiourgoun provlima. I asxetosini i i varemara pollon sinarmologiton dimiourgei opoia provlimata toulaxiston stin default taxitita. Me mia psiktra tis spire me kostos giro stis 5500 kai me ligi thermoagogimi silikoni me midamino kostos o XP tha doulevei sti xeiroteri me xalia aerismo sto kouti kai polles siskeves mesa stous 50 full load... crAss
crAss Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 A, kati akoma. Anaferthike kati gia to oti den eimaste sigouroi pos oi kainourgioi AMD tha ipostirizontai apo ta simerina boards. Ego pistevo pos einai pio pithano na tous ipostirizoun gia ena logo. I AMD pote den exei afisei os tora xekremastous tous pelates tis allazntas san tin intel 10-10 ta socket. To mb pou exo exei chipset to AMD 761. O pollaplasiastis einai to mono pragma pou rithmizetai apo jumperakia pano sto board. Gia olous tous thunderbird kai tous XP arkoun 5 jumperakia gia na dosoun olous tous aparaititous pollaplasiastes. Kai omos to board exei 6 jumperakia sti seira, undocumented to ekto sto manual alla auto toulaxiston emena mou leei pos iparxei pronoisi gia to melon. crAss
Deathstar Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Simfono oti einai oxi toso kali oi P4 kai oti oi AMD einai pio grigoroi ala tha diafoniso me ta Socket. Oi neoi Athlon XP mpenoun sta palia M/B ala theloun Bios update to opio den iparxi gia ola ta palia KT133A Mobo. Opote pas gia KT266A. Pame parakato o epomenos Epeksergastis mias kai tha einai 64Bit theli alo Mobo. Apo tin ali opos mas petai kathe 3 mines nea Chips i VIA kai na alaksi kai na min alaksi Socket i AMD i i Intel mikri diafora exi opote.......
VorlonShadow Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by runner1: Akoma ayta ta motherboards pou les oti den ton ypostirizoun me bios update einai elaxista kai oxi toso kala! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Kai to Abit KT7A den theorite kalo? An to ksereis osoi eixan ( kai emou simperilambanomenou ) to sigekrimeno mobo kai htan rev1.2 kai kato papala o XP.
mer-LoL- Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 Δημοσ. 4 Μαρτίου 2002 p4 1.6 is better . Why dont you want to face it ? By the way , I am an amd fan too . Have phun
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