Επισκέπτης Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 mia aplh kai logikh erwthsh....poios nomizetai eseis...kai oxi oi etaireis h ta diafora benchmarks oti einai o kalyteros...h gnwmh tou aplou user einai oti kalytero sto na epilexei kapios mia cpu....
apoc Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 egw san aplos user o opois distixos h eutixos den mporw na diathetw synexeia lefta gia na eimai update tha ta epenra ola ipopshn mou..kai ta benchmarks kai thn prohgoumenh empeiria...kai tis entipwseis ....<p>H proswpikh mou gnwmi einai oti to value for money tou AMD einai poli kalitero apo ton P4...shmantiko krithrio gia enan katanalwth! #kai epishs kati allo den sas dhmiourgei entipwseis to gegonos pos ena chipaki pou ypoleipetai pollwn Mhz enanti ston antagwnisth tou katafernei na einai einai sxedon isaksio tou kai merikes fores kalitero tou??? emena afto mou apodeikniei texnologikh anwterothta....anwtero design<p>Mhpws h Intel me to trik twn Mhz to exei parakanei?poulaei Mhz anti gia real Cpu power?<p>entaksi den thelw na genikeuw epikindina alla gnwmes einai aftes....<p>kales agores!
Επισκέπτης Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 an kai exo intel p4 8a symfoniso mazi sou oti h intel to exei parakanei me to trick twn Mhz.Gia paradeigma den boro na katalavo giati px ston epexergasth mou pano grafh p4 1,9ghz afou ousiastika kai ayto to deixnoun ta benchmarks einai katwteros apo ena aplo amd xp 1800+ pou trexei an den kano la8os sta 1533mhz kai to mono provlhma tou einai h 8ermokrasia....toso rezili exei katanthsei pia h intel?
yositosi Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 File Skywalkgr o XP 1900+ einai sta 1600Mhz, enw to ktinos pou onomazetai XP 2000+ einai sta 1667Mhz.. kai den sikwnei kai polla auti ti stigmi apo kanena CPU. Vlepontas ta pragmata praktika... pisteuw oti kai oi dio CPU einai tromaktika dinatoi!! Apla... estw kai an o AMD iperterei se isxi... thetwntas san vasi sigrisis tis iparxouses efarmoges den pisteuw oti iparxoun kai polla programmata pou na mporoun na ekmetalleutoun to 100% twn pragmatikwn ikanotitwn autwn twn CPU!! Epomenws i diafora kata kirio logw iparxei mono sta benchmarks. Twra epi tou sxoliou peri thermokrasiwn.. se provlimatise pote giati o P4 erxetai apo kataskeuis me auto to ktinos tin psiktra?? Min exetai pseudaisthiseis re paidia.. tetoies taxitites apo toso mikres epifaneies.. eite to theloume eite oxi sinepagontai kai ipsiles thermokrasies!!! Episis otan sigrinoume tis thermokrasies enos XP1900+ gia parafeigma.. den tha valoume san simio anaforas ton P4 1600 pou einai einai sta idia Mhz.. alla ton P4 2000 tou opoiou i apodosi einai efamili tou 1900+!! O logos einai poli aplos, 1600Mhz o P4 kai 1600Mhz o XP 1900+ alla stin praksi einai i mera me ti nixta.. opote auti i apodosi sinepagetai kai ipsili thermokrasia!! Ston tomea aksiopistia.. pisteuw oti i AMD perase tis eksetaseis, enw anepisima legetai oti o XP egine diskoloteros na kseklidwthei gia na apofeugetai na ton kanoun extreme overclocking "adaeis xristes" kai meta na xrisimopoioun tin eggiisi.. kati to opoio polloi "kalothelites" to diedidan san provlima thermokrasiwn kai aksiopistias twn Athlon (to thewreite paralogo na kaigetai ena CPU twn 1000Mhz otan enas m@l@kas xristis to pousarei sta 1300Mhz xwris swsti psiksi???... egw pantws OXI!). Epomenws.. i AMD afinei akoma to parathiro anoikto gia overclocking alla kiriws gia tous pio advanced users kai kiriws me tropo pou fainetai an kapoios epikalestei tin eggiisi se periptwsi stravis (stous T-Bird i molivia esvine eksafanizontas ta ixni... ston XP i kolla i to verniki einai psilodiskolo na figoun xwris na meinei simadi!!). Telos, tha simfwnisw me auto pou tonisate peri "consumer value". Pisteuw oti oi P4 einai arketa ipertimimenoi se sxesi me ta osa prosferoun alla kiriws me ton antagwnismo. Pantws stin maxi DDR kai Rambus... i AMD iperisxise kiriws logw tis Via.. kati pou ipodeilwnei oti polles fores to support pou exei mia etairia apo "third-party manufacturers" einai zwtikis simasias. Auto pou paratirw einai oti "prwin" simmaxoi tis Intel strefoun pros tin AMD. Pros theou... den thelw na akoustw san porwmenos AMDakias kai gi'auto epanalamvnw oti thewrw kai ta dio CPU terata epeksergastikis isxios!
adi32 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Pote de tha parw AMD Osoi exoun parei mono provlimata exoun Mporei na einai grigoro tromero fthno alla ti na to kanw an meta apo ligo kolaei pernei fotia kai kanei san aeroplano? Oti vlepeis fthno einai asta na pane
kirimis Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by adi32: <strong>Pote de tha parw AMD Osoi exoun parei mono provlimata exoun Mporei na einai grigoro tromero fthno alla ti na to kanw an meta apo ligo kolaei pernei fotia kai kanei san aeroplano? Oti vlepeis fthno einai asta na pane</strong><hr></blockquote><p> Ο επεξεργαστης προβληματα?????? Εισαι σιγουρος?<p>Εγω τα μονα προβληματα που εχω δει ειναι στις μητρικες για AMD... σε μητρικες ομως που ειναι πολυ ψαγμενες...
runner1 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by adi32: <strong>Pote de tha parw AMD Osoi exoun parei mono provlimata exoun Mporei na einai grigoro tromero fthno alla ti na to kanw an meta apo ligo kolaei pernei fotia kai kanei san aeroplano? Oti vlepeis fthno einai asta na pane</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Kaneis tromero lathos se ayto!Opws eipe kai o kirimis oi cpu den exoun problimata.Problimata mporei na parousiazoun kapoia motherboards h' mporei kapoios na min exei xrisimopoihsei sosti psiksi gia ton epeksergasti gia paradeigma mporei na exei balei anemistiraki fthino to opoio den apodidei an kai sinithos ayto ginetai giati ta magazia bazoun ftina anemistirakia otan kapoioi pelates phgainoun kai den tous lene akribws to katallhlo fan pou theloun!!!Ayto bebea einai tsatsia alla ti na kanoume!!Sinithos oi mh psagmenoi sta pc tin patane apo ta magazia!!
adi32 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Otan lew oi AMD exoun prob ennow ta pc me epeksergastes AMD Genika to olo systhma einai provlimatiko Egw kserw atomo pou eixe amd se kouti 1m me 10 anemisthres kai 2 mines pigainoerxotane sto service mexri pou tou dosane p4 kai isixase Alloste kai apo to forum edw vlepw oti aytoi pou exoyn ta perisotera problimata einai aytoi me ta AMD
yositosi Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Gia kane pio sigekrimeno to ti ennoeis me ton oro "provlimata" file mou! Episis.. tsekare to "users hardware database"... ekei tha deis oti i sintiptiki pleiopsifia twn melwn exei amd.. opote logiko einai ta perissotera provlimata na anaferontai apo xristes meli tou Insomnia pou einai katoxoi enos AMD based sistimatos. Twra gia to thema twn magaziwn kalo tha itan na gnwrisoun oloi oti ta magazia plironontai posostiaia.. opote panta prospathoun na dwsoun tin pio akrivi siskeui gia na paroun megalitero pososto kerdous.. Ara, logiko den einai na proteinoun Intel?? Pantws, tha simfwnisw me ta ipoloipa paidia oti o AMD san CPU den exei kanena apolitws provlima enw to 90% apo osa provlimata exw dei se auto to site den einai provlimata hardware... alla lathi tou idioktiti se rithmiseis. Episis, exe ipopsi sou file mou oti ta perithwria gia skaligma pou afinei i AMD einai poli megala.. opote polloi xristes paraskalizoun to PC tous gia na anevasoun kai allo tin apodosi (paradosiaka i plithwra twn PIII kai P4 douleuoun se default rithmiseis)... opote dimiourgeitai megaliteri pithanotita gia lathi se rithmiseis. Episis... polloi pernoun ftiniarika mobos, mnimes, PSU, kai coolers... kai prospathoun na plisiasoun ta overclocking specs twn ksenwn... Eeeee ti na kanoume re paidia alla auto einai mathimatika adinato na epiteuxthei xwris provlimata!!!! Gia paradeigma.. ta components tou PC mou thewrountai para poli kala gia ellinika dedomena (sigatalegontai sta korifaia auti ti stigmi stin agora)... kai pali... an epidiwksw na na valw to CPU mou na doulepsei sta 1.6Ghz tote arxizoun io astatheies. Apo tin alli.. to CPU mou se ena PC filou pou exei PSU gamato apo Agglia (Enermax 400W), mnimes Crucial, ktl.. katafera na piasw peripou 1.65Ghz me apoliti statherotita!! Epomenws.. den ftaiei to CPU mou alla ta ipoloipa components ftanoun sta oria tous!!! Pantws, mexri twra den exw dei provlimata se AMD sistima me default settings!
Επισκέπτης Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 File yosi einai swsto alh8eia na les oti o amd den exei ka8olou provlhmata? to provlhma ths 8ermokrasias pou to vazeis dhladh?? pisteyw oti para poloi xrhstes exoun dei diafora videos pou kykloforoun se tomshardware ktl, kai edeixnan thn an8ektikothta twn cpu's ths intel se 8ermokrasia se sxesh me tous amd pou eixan ginei oloi creme de la creme.Gia na doulepsei swsta mia cpu amd 8elei o user na einai poly psagmenos,se ola mnhmes,board,psu,case,ta panta...einai poly dyskolo enas user na gnwrizei ta panta.8eleis na kanoume ena aplo test? paides exo vgalei thn psyktra mou eno h cpu ekane calculations gia divx conversion.Pou akrivws eides megales psyktres gia p4?? mhpws den htan socket 478 kai htan to paliotero?.Oi amd einai kales cpu alla exoun kapia provlhmatakia...mhn mou phte oti ta win xp einai 100% optimized gia amd cpu giati trexoun apla kalytera se intel cpu's.Prepei kapies fores na paradexomaste thn anwterothta kai twn allwn.Se teleytaia benchmarks o amd xp 2000+ fainetai ligo katwteros apo ton p4 2200.Kai kati teleytaio poso fthnos einai o xp 1800 as poume giati egw eida oti einai ligo tsibimenos
Anonymous Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 makria apo tous AMD doste kati parapano kai parte p4.Mono kai mono to gegonos oti den exo xrono na phgaino to pc gia service gia kanena logo mou ftanei na paro intel.Kai entaksei as poume pou ego eimai ligo psagmenos kai to ftiaxno monos mou.O aplos user anagastika tha trexei kai de tha ftanei giati i amd gia na kerdisei se epidoseis exase se kati allo basikotero.......kai auto einai kako.Tora osous ksero kai go me amd den yparxei OUTE enas pou na mhn eixe h na mhn exei akoma to paramikro problhma.Eno me intel ta pragmata pane roloi.
Επισκέπτης Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 File yositosi elpizw na mhn egrapsa kati pou na se prosvala me opoidhpote tropo.Eilikrina sevomai thn apopsh sou kai den ksexnw oti me exeis voh8hsei para poly sto parel8on.Den eipa oti den paradexomai thn anwterwthta twn amd se polla pragmatta alla o user prepei na exei mia experience.Filos mou me amd trela8hke apo thn stenaxwria tou epeidh stamathse to cooleraki ths psyktras kai meta apo ligo exase thn cpu...kahke.Giati na traviesai adika?? kai kala sto eksoteriko pou ola einai apla...sthn wraia ellada? edo gia na sou allaksoun thn cpu prepei na perimeneis arketo xroniko diasthma...alles etaireies lene kai kati koryfaia...oti taxa 8a thn steiloun sthn amd sto eksoteriko kai efoson egkrinei allagei 8a ginei...kseris poso perimene o filarakos mou? 2mhnes..h cpu hr8e alla dyo mhnes einai arketa megalo diasthma.
MadSurfer Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SPOOKER: <strong>makria apo tous AMD doste kati parapano kai parte p4.Mono kai mono to gegonos oti den exo xrono na phgaino to pc gia service gia kanena logo mou ftanei na paro intel.......Tora osous ksero kai go me amd den yparxei OUTE enas pou na mhn eixe h na mhn exei akoma to paramikro problhma.Eno me intel ta pragmata pane roloi.</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Katse ligo re file douleyw me AMD 2 xronia kai den mou exoun parousiasei to paramikro provlima, kai osous xerw kai exoun AMD kai se autous ola leitourgoun kanonika.
cdcl01 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 An kai panta imoun kai ime yper tis Intel, oi Amd exoun poli kalles epidoseis...Alla tiganizeis patates pano tous. Den anexomai na prospatho na paro ena ftino systima kai na dino 8 kai 10 xiliarika gia cooler. Anarotithikate pote giati i Amd den exei box ekdosis ton epeksergaston tis??? Epeidi ypotithete stis box ekdoseis yparxei kai cooler. Ti cooler tora na sou protini i Amd kai kata poso tha anebasei tin timi tou ftinou epeksergasti tis. Episis oson afora ta problimata, pote den katafere na ftiaksi mia thermiki diodo tis prokopis. Prosfata enas Insomniac ekane to lathos na aniksi to Pc toy (me Amd XP 1600+) xoris na exei balei cooler. Opos o idios leei 1sex itan arketo gia na tou kapsi ton pirina. H Intel den exoun tetoio problima. Prosfata me pire til mia fili kai moy leei oti to Pc tis (p4 1,7) kai poli thoribo. Piga ekei kai ti na do: ayti douleye photoshop kai corel kai o epeksergastis exei paei stous 90C. I oli baboura ginotan ap'to pesmeno cooler poy briskotan ston pato toy case. Episi oson afora tis epidoseis exete dei pos pigenei enas P4 se sxesei me me enan XP se programmata 3d?? O XP 1900+ simbadizei me ton P4 1,5. Prosopika an itan na paro tora kati, den tha eperna tipota giati oloi ligo poli psilo gam**ntai. Basika yparxei arketi texnologia apo epeksergastes (oxi toso bebaia oso exoun kai oi Risc, eipame gam**ntai) alla den exoume poli grigora periferiaka, kyrios diskoys. Ayti tin stigmi o Xp mou fantazei ligo tsitomenos epeksergastis se ena neo kai mikro monopati eno o P4 kati neo poy den mporei na dosei oli tin isxi pou kribei, me makri mellon.<p>Alithia exete dei pote epaggelmatika sistimata megalon kataskeyaston poy proorizontai gia eteries na exoun AMD Cpu??
MadSurfer Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 Δημοσ. 12 Ιανουαρίου 2002 File cdcl01 opoios den exei skopo na asxolithei me o/c tote kai ena cooler ton 5000 ton kaliptei gia AMD apo ekei kai pera einai gnwsto oti oi AMD barane trella noumera se o/c opote gi'ayto kai ta megala akriva cooler.<p>Oso gia ta noumera kai tis sygkriseis exoume ftasei se simeio opou sygrkinoume p4 @2.2Ghz me Athlon XP 2000+ @1.67Ghz http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020107/index.html kai na leei oti o p4 exei mikro provadisma se sxesi me ton athlon Xp alla ti provadisma kai mpourdes eno sygkrinoun 2 CPU pou exoun diafora 500+ Mhz kai pali einai sxedon sta idia epipeda.<p>[ 12-01-2002: Το μήνυμα επεξεργάστηκε από: MadSurfer ]</p>
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