Thn gnwmh sas parakalw

[stavrakis1821]

Hello

 

tha hthela na zhthsw thn gnwmh sas se kati re paidia. Edw sthn sxolh enas professor thelei na dwsei 2 lectures se Linux se kapoious kainourgious sthn plhroforikh. Autoi fantazomai den tha exoun kai tipota sugkekrimenes gnwseis se Linux, etsi mou zhthse na tou dwsw liges shmeiwseis klp gia 2 lectures kai 2 antistoixa Labs. Vasika kati me sxesh shells giati exoune ena Red Hat server kai tha kanoune login apo windows workstations oi mathhtes.

 

Shmeiwseis einai entaksh vriskw auta pou thelw, alla den kserw ti na tou dwsw tou anthrwpou.Ti pisteuete tha htan katallhlo gia prwta mathhmata se Linux?

 

Auto pou skefthka egw gia prwto mathhma einai na tous milhsei ligo ga tis diafores dianomes, ligo gia to filesystem kai pws einai organwmeno, boot-process, ligo gia to kernel kai modules, kai gia prwto ergasthrio na tous kathodhghsei mesa apo merika basic commands (pwd, cd, dir, ls, echo, cp, mv, mkdir, rm).

 

Gia deutero lecture, den kserw ti einai katallhlo. Oute kai gia deutero Lab. Dwste mou kamia idea sas parakalw. Skefthka kalh idea tha htan na tous milhsei ligo gia 'users' as poume, permissions, pws na vrei kaneis poioi users einai logged in, ligo gia processes, kai isws kanena shell script. Den exw idea ti tha htan katallhlo. Oi mathites fantazomai den tha exoun gnwseis opws eipa, etsi prepei na einai kati pou den tha tous mperdepsei entelws.

 

Perimenw thn apopsh sas kai euxaristw para polu.

[NullScan]

Πιστεύω ότι σημαντικότερο είναι να ασχοληθεί στο δεύτερο lecture με το γεγονός ότι τα πάντα στο linux είναι files και να χτίσεις και ένα lab πάνω σε αυτή τη διαφορά με τα windows.

[ggeo1]

Στο πρώτο lecture πιστεύω καλά τα λες,κάπως έτσι.Να τους μιλήσει επίσης για την έννοια του ελεύθερου λογισμικού και να τους πει ότι μέσα από το περιβάλλον linux (με την προσθαφαίρεση προγραμμάτων) μπορούν να εγκαταστήσουν πλήθος χρήσιμων εφαρμογών.

 

Για το δεύτερο πιστεύω πως καλά θα ήταν να τους μιλήσει για τα διάφορα format που συναντάς στο linux,πώς να μάθουν να αποσυμπιέζουν ένα αρχείο .tar,.tar.gz,.tar.bz2 ,να τους μιλήσει για τα rpm files,να τους δείξει τη χρησιμότητά τους (εφαρμόζοντας διάφορες εντολές),και κάποιες εντολές κονσόλας π.χ grep ,mount.

[Bspus]

2 διαλεξεις ειναι πολυ λιγες. Ισως στη δευτερη να μπορεις να τους πεις και για το πως κατεβαζεις πακετα αυτοματα απο το ιντερνετ αντι να ψαχνεις rpm με dependencies και τα σχετικα (πρπει να το δουν ομως και αυτο οπωςδηποτε). Κατι αντιστοιχο δηλαδη με το apt. Δε θυμαμαι ποιο εχει το redhat.

Επισης, επειδη σιγουρα θα τη σπασει σε οσους αποφασισουν να το δοκιμασουν σπιτι τους, δειξτους πως να βαλουν στο Redhat/fedora Mp3 και αλλα codecs.

 

Τα σχετικα με τη ρυθμιση δικτυου και τα βασικα για το samba

 

2 πραγματα για τα run levels και εναλλακτικα desktop envirronments

 

Απο που και πως ρυθμιζεις τα daemons (Θα τους πεις οτι ειναι το αντιστοιχο των services)

 

Δεν τα προλαβαινεις ολα. Διαλεξε μερικα

[Forensick]

και οταν τις φτιαξεις, ριχτες και εδω, σιγουρα αρκετοι θα το βρουν χρησιμο(ενας απο αυτους ειμαι και γω).και αν γουσταρουν και οι υπολοιποι γνωστες, να το συνεχισουν και να δημιουργει το manual insomnux.

[stavrakis1821]

po sas euxaristw polu. prospathw na apofashsw siga siga. Auta isws na einai kai ta teleutaia lectures pou tha exoune merikoi ap'autous se Linux. Einai uperoxes oi idees sas kai isws polu kaluteres apo oti skeftomouna egw. Den kserw omws pws tha organwsw tis shmeiwseis, giati den kserw kai se ti tha katalhksei autos pou mou ta zhthse. tha einai sta agglika oti perigrapsw stis shmeiwseis mou.

 

Oso gia to mount, kalo tha htan alla tha tous epitrepsei na kanoune tpt mount ston server? rpm einai ta packages, afou mallon Red Hat tha exoune. Prepei na sigoureutw. Ta PC tou lab tha exoune anoixta PuTTY clients fantazomai gia ssh login ston server. Prepei na sigoureutw kai gi'auto.

[nonickch2]

ena approach pou eixe kanei ena uni gia uni lectures kai labs itan ena bootable usb stick pou eixe o ka8e ma8itis wste na bootarei ta lab pc's.

Itane elafrws peiragmenos o kernel gia na min tous epitrepei na kanoun mount ta local disks, gia profanous security reasons.

An to psa3eis sta archives tou slashdot, isws to breis. Prepei na pane 3+ xronia omws pou eixa diabasei to post.

 

Twra, ena tetoio pragma sigoura den einai warranted gia 2 mono lectures i/kai labs.

 

Efoson blepw oti eisai agglia kai einai 2 lectures, ypo8etw oti sympiptei 1 i to poly 2 labs gia ta 2 auta lectures (mallon 1o etos to blepw, opote 1 lab).

 

Auto pou 8a proteina einai ta 8ewritika sta lectures, ta praktika 8emata sto lab. Einai profanes auto pou lew, alla meta apo 3 xronia se elliniko panepistimio arxizw na amfisbitw tis perceived diafores lecture/labwork

 

Sigoura opws anefere kai kapoios prin, prepei na ginei ektenis anafora sta principles tou free software kai to GNU pisw apo to linux. Kai fysika mia mikri istoriki anadromi, ante kai mia anafora ston linus

To 3erw oti einai fystiki na etoimaseis tetoia pragmata se simeiwseis ktl, alla edw mporeis na xrisimopoieiseis to community magic wang:

Se UK uni eisai, auto pou 8a pw den einai adynaton kai sigoura einai kati pou 8a aresei ston professor. Analoga me to pou brisketai to uni mporeite na ferete kapoion me @@ gia na kanei olo i meros tou 1ou lecture. Stin xeiroteri miliste me tin topiki i kontinoteri megali LUG gia to 8ema.

Ah, na min 3exasoume oti prepei na e3igi8ei ti stin ousia einai ta distro's simera. To 8ewrw ena apo ta pragmata pou mperdeuoun perissotero tous neous. Akoune distro's kai nomizoun oti einai diaforetika opws windows kai macOS.

 

To 3erw oti to paratrabaw edw, alla gia checkarete na deite mipws o stallman einai pou8ena konta tin epoxi pou skopeuete na kanete ta 2 lectures. Ektos apo to oti 8a trabi3ei to uni kai to ma8ima trella spotlights, to 8ewrw poly pi8ano na dex8ei na er8ei na kanei to intro. O an8rwpos zei gia tetoia pragmata. Kai oso na'nai exei mia tasi na parasyrei to koino, eidika tous neous.

 

 

 

 

Twra, e3artatai pou peftei to lab, prin i meta to deutero lecture, i an einai 2 labs. Tespa, posa lectures/week exete?

As poume oti to deutero lecture peftei prin apo to lab. Etsi mporei na ypar3ei mia eisagwgi gia ta practical 8emata.

Diladi, anaferese sta basika:

 

* Shell. Apla pragmata,syntoma, poly 8a exoun epafi me DOS opote einai ladi ta pragmata. ls, cd, mkdir, rm ktl.

 

 

* File structure. Epe3igisi tou default directory structure opws anaferete sto standard i analoga me to distro pou 8a xrisimopoiisoun sto practical

Aim: na 3eroun na kanoun ena aplo navigate to directory tree enos default linux install xwris na xanontai

 

 

* Devices kai epikoinwnia tou kernel-software. Oxi tipota tragika complicated, aplws na katalabei o kosmos ti akribws einai o kernel, poia i 8esi tou, poia i 8esi tou software kai pws epikoinwnoun. Edw denei poly wraia me ta 8ewritika gia GNU/Linux pou akousan sto 1o lecture.

Aim: Meta apo to lecture na 3eroun ti einai pragmata opws to proc kai to dev dir. Na 3eroun ti einai to hda kai to sda ktl...

 

 

* Anafora/syntomi perigrafi syxnwn maintenance pragmatwn Merika paradeigmata:

u/mount.

Aplo user managment kai kat'epektasi file permissions. Giati einai etsi ktl.

Manpages kai ta section tous, info, kai alla documentation tools.

Symplirwste me edw paidia, biazomai mias kai teleiwse to family huy episode dload

Aim: Na apoktisoun mia idea gia to pws ginetai aplo maintenance kai koina tasks se ena systima.

 

*Mia syntomi perigrafi tou systimatws gyrw apo ta Xwindows.

Xserver, window managers ktl

Aim: na doune ena grafiko periballon. Lypamai pou to lew alla simera an den dei3eis grafika kai para8yra, 99% tou kosmou 8a apo3enw8ei

 

Auta, ypo8etwntas oti einai 1-hour lectures 8a laxaniasei o professor. Se 2hr lecture xwraei aneta kai me katitis extra.

 

Telos, to practical.

blah-blah-blah, efarmogi twn pragmatwn sto 2o lecture. Navigate de3ia aristera, aplo mountunmount ktl. Efoson fysika to epitrepoun ta permissions tou exhibition systimatos. Isws 8a prepei na koita3ete se live distro kai peiragma twn lab puters na bootaroun apo to cd gia to practical auto gia mia apli lysi.

 

Tespa, trexw, efaga 30+ lepta grafontas. Wra gia family guy

[gtroza]

nonickch2

 

δεν πάς εσύ !

το λέω σοβαρά

 

bravo φίλε!

[Apatewna]

χαχαχα "lecture on linux" να σου στείλω ένα παλιό μου συνάδελφο που με είδε να σκαλίζω ένα proxy σε FreeBSD και με ρώτησε πως τα κατάφερα να σηκώσω proxy σε DOS!

 

Ελλαδάρα! Καλή επιτυχία!

[stavrakis1821]

po eiste foveroi. Euxaristw polu. Vevaios tha to melethsw auto to thread arketa kala otan kontepsoun oi meres pou tha organwsw tis shmeiwseis.

 

Amerikh eimai. to megalo lathos pou kanoune einai pou tous dinoune kati mikroperigrafes kai meta tous exoune san "elective" ta unix workshops. Oi perissoteroi katalhgoune na na mhn to psaksoun parapera kai menoun me autes tis prwtes entupwseis pisteuw. Ontws ena 'graphical presentation' twn desktops tha htan polu kalh idea. Isws tou dwsw kai laptop tou tupou na to enwsei se projector kai na kanei ta lectures ap'auto.

 

Otan lete "istoria" fantazomai anafereste kai se Unix etsi? Oso afora ta Open Source skefthka na vrw kati apo to "Cathedral and the Bazaar" tou Eric Raymond. edw kai se ellhniko translation an den to exete akousta: http://howto.hellug.gr/howto/pub/html/cathedral-bazaar.html Egw pantws tha hthela na tous milouse kai ligo gia CVS kai SVN otan anaferthei sta Open Source alla auto isws na vgei ligo ektos thematos.

 

kai alles idees an exete einai euprosdektes. Thanks!!

 

Elladara vevaios!!!

[stavrakis1821]

Million thanks @nonickch2!! Ekseretikes perigrafes kai idees mou edwses.

oi foithtes tha exoune putty terminals sta labs kai tha enwnontai me red hat linux ap'oti kserw. den eimai sigouros an tha mporesoun na doulepsoun mount logo permissions alla sigoura kapoia perigrafh tha prepei na uparksei.

 

Oso afora kernel, dwste mou liges perissoteres plhrofories an thelete. Gia paradeigma ti theoria tha htan anagkaia na kalufthei kai se ti commands tha prepei na anaferthei sto lecture. Euxaristw para polu kai pali gia ton xrono sas.

[nonickch2]

to cathedral & bazaar einai poio poly gia software development strategies para gia Linux.

 

Mipws mporeis na dwseis poio poly context oson afora ta 2 lectures? ti einai?

CS department 1st yr lectures?

Optional course gia ola ta departments?

crashcourses gia retraining?

 

Egrapsa skeptomenos tin prwti periptwsi, prepei na alla3ei dramatika to content twn lectures an den einai to prwto. Eidika de an einai to 3o case.

 

Twra, oson afora to 1o lecture background check. Epitides den mpika sto 8ema giati einai PARA poly euais8ito kai polys kosmos mporei na arpaxtei. Episis einai para poly eukolo na parapliroforiseis kosmo 3exnwntas kapoia leptomereia.

Stin ameriki 8a exete sigoura megala LUG's apo gyrw. Autoi ta 3eroun kalytera.

 

Efoson 8a einai linux-centered to course, 8a prepei sigoura na 3y8ei ligo i istoria twn unix systimatwn etsi gia na deix8ei gia poio logo 3ekinise to linux enw sigoura den prepei na 3exas8ei oti o stallman ekane to diko tou attempt parallila. Tespa kapou stin diadromi ta brikane kai kateli3e simera olo to free software app bundle na trexei se linux kernel. Ante anaferetai kai to BSD kapou stin mesi giati moiazei arketa.

Meta, pragmata pou prepei na anafer8oun imho einai:

* Free software foundation. Principles kai GPL se apla logia

* Open source. Principles, licences, praktikes diafores apo GPL

* Corporate adoption tou linux. Kai oson afora tin emporiki tou xrisi apo corporations alla kai oson afora to backup pou dexetai apo corporate entities opws IBM kai SUN.

* Otan o kosmos akouei prwti fora tetoies enoies enw exei megalwsei kai exei faei me to koutalaki to ka8ara emporiko systima, den mporei na fantastei pws kati tetoio einai praktiko/pragmatopoiisimo. Pws 8a katafereis na tous e3igiseis kati tetoio... den exw idea.

[stavrakis1821]

to mathima einai gia foithtes pliroforikhs. Information Technology einai to concentration alla pesto kai CS to idio kanei. Exoune san elective Unix workshop gia argotera an theloune na paroune pou einai kai gia olokhro semester se Unix, alla oi perissoteroi den tha endiaferthoun, etsi auta ta lectures isws na einai kai ta teleutaia mathimata se Unix. Oi foithtes einai logika 1ou etous. Tha kseroun idi basic programming fantazomai giati tha exoun idi parei mathimata sto gumnasio.

 

Ta mathimata tha einai gia 2 vdomades. 1 lecture miamish wra as poume thn Deutera kai ena antistoixo lab thn Tetarth kai to idio gia thn deuterh vdomada. Thumamai otan to phra egw to mathima prin 4 xronia o kathigiths eixe ferei to laptop tou kai afierwse ton xrono na egkatasthsei ena Linux sto lab, enw eixe milhsei gia partitions klp. Deuterh vdomada asxolithike me commands alla den thumamai ti sugkekrimena. Htan kapws hlikiomenos o tupos omws kai tou evgainan san nero. Thumamai oti oloi ton vriskame duskolo kathigiti, alla autos mou susthse to Linux ki'emena. Twra autoi pou ta diskaskoun auta ta introductory mathimata den kseroun kai polla gia Linux mou fenete. Einai filos omws o sugkekrimenos kathigiths kai mou zhthse na tou psaksw notes klp gia na mhn tous valei n'agorasoun vivlio an katalava kala.

[Manos-Sx]

nai ontos exei dikio o nonickch2. epeidi ego se iek eimai texnikos ypologiston.. kai exoyme mathima giro apo ta Linux-Unix kai embathinoume mesa se auta alla oxi opos tha prepe... polu suxna akouo tin ekfrasi apo simathites " xaza einai ta Linux " kai mesa mou gelao(thimata ton parathiron leo apo mesa m) .. prospatho na kratitho..

tespa. theoro simantiko na mathoune gia ANAKATEYTHINSI, DIASOLINOSI, SYNONIMA kai METABLITES pou einai apo ta merika isxura ergaleia pou kanoun to kelifos isxuro. signomi gia ta greeklish alla kano egkatastasi ta Linux apo livedvd

[Manos-Sx]

nai ontos exei dikio o nonickch2. epeidi ego se iek eimai texnikos ypologiston.. kai exoyme mathima giro apo ta Linux-Unix kai embathinoume mesa se auta alla oxi opos tha prepe... polu suxna akouo tin ekfrasi apo simathites " xaza einai ta Linux " kai mesa mou gelao(thimata ton parathiron leo apo mesa m) .. prospatho na kratitho..

tespa. theoro simantiko na mathoune gia ANAKATEYTHINSI, DIASOLINOSI, SYNONIMA kai METABLITES pou einai apo ta merika isxura ergaleia pou kanoun to kelifos isxuro. signomi gia ta greeklish alla kano egkatastasi ta Linux apo livedvd