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KaizerSoze Grand Master

KaizerSoze

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Nai,xerw,taxete xanapei,epsaxa arketa alla...to thema einai oti gia mena einai i prwti fora pou stinw LAN.

Pira loipon mia Ethernen kartoula 10/100(alitheia,se poiour rythmous metaforas anaferontai ta 10 kai ta 100 Mbps??) gia to desktop-to laptop eixe apo mono tou-pira kai ena crossover kalwdio kai...

 

 

Edw mpainete eseis: Mporei kapoios na mou pei ti prepei na kanw gia na ftiaxw to diktyo??Exoun XP Home kai ta 2.Episis na tonisw oti exw DSL mesw usb modem tou f200 tis crypto.Thathela an ginetai na pernei to laptop internet apo to desktop(nai xerw,kalytera router i naxa parei kana switch,to thema einai oti to laptop thanai sto LAN kana 2wro tin evdomada gia internet,den exw na dwsw 30E i 80E gia tetoia)

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KaizerSoze Grand Master

KaizerSoze

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Nai,xerw,taxete xanapei,epsaxa arketa alla...to thema einai oti gia mena einai i prwti fora pou stinw LAN.

Pira loipon mia Ethernen kartoula 10/100(alitheia,se poiour rythmous metaforas anaferontai ta 10 kai ta 100 Mbps??) gia to desktop-to laptop eixe apo mono tou-pira kai ena crossover kalwdio kai...

 

 

Edw mpainete eseis: Mporei kapoios na mou pei ti prepei na kanw gia na ftiaxw to diktyo??Exoun XP Home kai ta 2.Episis na tonisw oti exw DSL mesw usb modem tou f200 tis crypto.Thathela an ginetai na pernei to laptop internet apo to desktop(nai xerw,kalytera router i naxa parei kana switch,to thema einai oti to laptop thanai sto LAN kana 2wro tin evdomada gia internet,den exw na dwsw 30E i 80E gia tetoia)

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HexStatic

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loipon

 

-Sto Desktop (PC A )

 

1.Pigene Control Panel->Network Connections->Right Click on Local Area Connection->Enable

 

2.Efoson einai Enabled tote Right Click pally panw sto local Area Connection->Properties

 

3.Sto Tab "General" Clickare ekei pou leei "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)"

Kanto Highlight (na ginei Blue diladi) kai pata dipla to koumpi pou leei

"Properties"

 

http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc180&image=91448_tcp.jpg

 

Kai tha sou anoiksei auto to window

 

http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc109&image=91554_tcp2.jpg

 

Ekei Clickare (opws stin foto ) ekei pou lei "Use The Following IP Adress"

 

Ekei bale tis aksies

 

IP Address: 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1

 

 

Katw ekei pou leei "Use the Following DNS Server Addresses

 

Bale

 

Preferred DNS Server : 192.168.0.1 (to Default Gateway sou Diladi)

Alternate DNS Server : (min Bazeis tipota.Den einai aparaithto)

 

Twra kapoioi tha sou proteinoune na baleis ton DNS Server to Paroxea tou internet . Nai mporeis na to kaneis kai auto, h na to baleis sto alternate, h na baleis Preferred DNS Server tou ISP sou kai alternate to 192.168.0.1

 

Patas Pantou OK kai klineis ta parathira.

 

Twra episis sto Network Connections Tha kaneis right Click panw sti sindesi pou exeis gia na mpeneis internet kai tha pas sto "Advanced" tab kai tha clickareis (opws stin foto) "Allow other network users to connect through this computers internet connection"

 

http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc205&image=92284_connect.jpg

 

Twra An Clickareis to "Establish a dial up connection ....." :tote kathe fora pou kapoio pc pou einai sto diktio gia kapoio logo zhthsei to internet (px automatic updates h an anoikseis ena browser gia to net i otidipote ) tote automata i sindesi sou tha kanei connection sto net (an den einai idi connected)

 

An clickareis to "Allow other network ..." : tote Tha mporeis apo to laptop sou na elenxeis tin sindesi ( na tin kaneis disconnect as poume)

 

Tha sou sinistousa na clickareis kai ta 2

 

PAtas OK kai klineis to window.

 

-Pas sto laptop (PC B)

 

Kane pally ta 1. 2. kai 3. pou anaferw pio panw mono pou me tin diafora oti sto laptop tha baleis autes tis aksies:

 

IP Address: 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1

 

Preferred DNS Server : 192.168.0.1 (to Default Gateway sou Diladi)

Alternate DNS Server : (min Bazeis tipota.Den einai aparaithto)

 

Patas pantou ok .

 

Logika twra ola tha prepei na douleuoune roloi.

Kai internet Sharring exeis etsi kai Mporeis na exeis shared Folders kai Services ( efoson kai ta 2 pc einai sto idio workgroup )

 

An kapou exw lathos tha parakalousa kapoios na me diorthwsei. Exw polly kairo na ftiaksw diktio me crossover kai isws na eimai lathos se merika simeia.

 

Episis mporei kapoios na mou pei giati den kanei swsta display tis fotos pou ebala?Den tis ebala me alla me

 

Also koita kai auto to link here ->http://www.insomnia.gr/vb3/showthread.php?t=80821 pou einai kai sticky.

HexStatic Experienced

HexStatic

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loipon

 

-Sto Desktop (PC A )

 

1.Pigene Control Panel->Network Connections->Right Click on Local Area Connection->Enable

 

2.Efoson einai Enabled tote Right Click pally panw sto local Area Connection->Properties

 

3.Sto Tab "General" Clickare ekei pou leei "Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)"

Kanto Highlight (na ginei Blue diladi) kai pata dipla to koumpi pou leei

"Properties"

 

http://img12.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc180&image=91448_tcp.jpg

 

Kai tha sou anoiksei auto to window

 

http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc109&image=91554_tcp2.jpg

 

Ekei Clickare (opws stin foto ) ekei pou lei "Use The Following IP Adress"

 

Ekei bale tis aksies

 

IP Address: 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1

 

 

Katw ekei pou leei "Use the Following DNS Server Addresses

 

Bale

 

Preferred DNS Server : 192.168.0.1 (to Default Gateway sou Diladi)

Alternate DNS Server : (min Bazeis tipota.Den einai aparaithto)

 

Twra kapoioi tha sou proteinoune na baleis ton DNS Server to Paroxea tou internet . Nai mporeis na to kaneis kai auto, h na to baleis sto alternate, h na baleis Preferred DNS Server tou ISP sou kai alternate to 192.168.0.1

 

Patas Pantou OK kai klineis ta parathira.

 

Twra episis sto Network Connections Tha kaneis right Click panw sti sindesi pou exeis gia na mpeneis internet kai tha pas sto "Advanced" tab kai tha clickareis (opws stin foto) "Allow other network users to connect through this computers internet connection"

 

http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc205&image=92284_connect.jpg

 

Twra An Clickareis to "Establish a dial up connection ....." :tote kathe fora pou kapoio pc pou einai sto diktio gia kapoio logo zhthsei to internet (px automatic updates h an anoikseis ena browser gia to net i otidipote ) tote automata i sindesi sou tha kanei connection sto net (an den einai idi connected)

 

An clickareis to "Allow other network ..." : tote Tha mporeis apo to laptop sou na elenxeis tin sindesi ( na tin kaneis disconnect as poume)

 

Tha sou sinistousa na clickareis kai ta 2

 

PAtas OK kai klineis to window.

 

-Pas sto laptop (PC B)

 

Kane pally ta 1. 2. kai 3. pou anaferw pio panw mono pou me tin diafora oti sto laptop tha baleis autes tis aksies:

 

IP Address: 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1

 

Preferred DNS Server : 192.168.0.1 (to Default Gateway sou Diladi)

Alternate DNS Server : (min Bazeis tipota.Den einai aparaithto)

 

Patas pantou ok .

 

Logika twra ola tha prepei na douleuoune roloi.

Kai internet Sharring exeis etsi kai Mporeis na exeis shared Folders kai Services ( efoson kai ta 2 pc einai sto idio workgroup )

 

An kapou exw lathos tha parakalousa kapoios na me diorthwsei. Exw polly kairo na ftiaksw diktio me crossover kai isws na eimai lathos se merika simeia.

 

Episis mporei kapoios na mou pei giati den kanei swsta display tis fotos pou ebala?Den tis ebala me alla me

 

Also koita kai auto to link here ->http://www.insomnia.gr/vb3/showthread.php?t=80821 pou einai kai sticky.

KaizerSoze Grand Master

KaizerSoze

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Megale eisai gigantas!!!Kai internet moirasa kai netwrok eftiaxa

 

Na sou pw,kai sorry gia ton kopo,apla gia namathainw re aderfe,mporeis na mou exigiseis tis odigies sou opws ekanes kai gia tis epiloges sto moirasma tou internet?Px ok,xerw ti einai to IP alla GIATI exw ayto to IP?Ti einai to gate way?Kai etsi...

 

 

 

p.s. Protinw se kapoio mod na to kanei sticky giati pisteuw voithaei to paidi parapoly opoion den xerei

KaizerSoze Grand Master

KaizerSoze

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Megale eisai gigantas!!!Kai internet moirasa kai netwrok eftiaxa

 

Na sou pw,kai sorry gia ton kopo,apla gia namathainw re aderfe,mporeis na mou exigiseis tis odigies sou opws ekanes kai gia tis epiloges sto moirasma tou internet?Px ok,xerw ti einai to IP alla GIATI exw ayto to IP?Ti einai to gate way?Kai etsi...

 

 

 

p.s. Protinw se kapoio mod na to kanei sticky giati pisteuw voithaei to paidi parapoly opoion den xerei

HexStatic Experienced

HexStatic

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Gia na min to pigeneis tuflosourti na sou eksigisw merika pragmata (osa mporw diladi na eksigisw)

 

Loipon:

 

IP Address: Einai i Ip pou dineis sto pc sou. Einai esoteriki IP kai den exei kamia sxesi me tin IP pou perneis apo ton ISP sou otan mpeneis sto net.

 

OUsiastika einai ena path to opoio prosdiorizei to pc sou sto diktio.

Ama anoikseis ton windows explorer kai sto adress bar grapseis tin IP apo to mixanima pou theleis sto diktio, tote polly apla blepeis ta shared arxeia tou.

 

Diladi an apo to laptop sou grapeis 192.168.0.1 tote tha se paei sta shared arxeia (folders) pou exei to Desktop sou (giati to desktop sou exei tin ip 192.168.0.1. To antistrofo mporeis na kaneis kai apo to desktop gia to laptop.

 

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Tip.>Pera apo tin Ip mporeis na grafeis to onoma tou pc . Diladi ama to desktop sou to lene "George" tote mporeis na grafeis sto address bar

\\george anti na grafeis tin ip tou desktop.

 

-To onoma pou exeis sto pc sou to briskeis apo edw->RIght Click sto My Computer->Properties->Click sto Tab Computer Name

 

To name anagrafetai ekei pou leei : "Full Computer Name" Kai an theleis mporeis na to alakseis Clickarontas ekei pou leei "Change"

 

Apla mou fenetai thelei restart meta to Pc gia na doulepsei.

 

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Twra gia pio logo bazoune autes tis times ( 192.168.0.kati) kai oxi 143.265.233.445 (gia paradigma)

den gnwrizw.

 

Genikotera se ena diktio an exeis parapanw apo 2 pc mporeis na dineis esi oti ip theleis se kathe mixanima sto diktio. Diladi an exeis 4 pc tha tous dineis times

 

A: 192.168.0.1

B: 192.168.0.2

C: 192.168.0.3

D: 192.168.0.4

 

Den einai aparaithto na baleis 1, 2 , 3 , 4 diadoxika .. mporeis na baleis oti times esi theleis sto telos, Diladi mporeis na exeis

 

A: 192.168.0.15

B: 192.168.0.95

C: 192.168.0.78

D: 192.168.0.46

 

Apla einai pio praktiko na tis baleis 1, 2 , 3 ,4 gia na ksereis ti sou ginetai kai na min psaxeis pia ip exei to kathe mixanima.

 

Subnet Mask: Den exw tin paramikri idea ti einai kai ti rolo baraei.

 

Default Gateway : Ousiastika auto einai to path apo to opoio pernane ola .

 

An diladi exeis ena router kai panw tou koliseis 3-4 pc tote ola ta pc ekei pou leei default gateway tha exoune tin IP tou router. (giati ola epikoinwnoune metaksi tous mesw tou router) Sinithos auth h timi einai 192.168.0.1 h 192.168.1.1 Analogos to router. Ta NetGear exoune 192.168.0.1 enw ta Linksys exoune 192.168.1.1

 

Stin diki sou periptwsi epeidi to Desktop paizei ton rolo tou router/server gia auto ton logo h IP tou einai idia me to Gateway.

 

DNS Server Auto exei sxesi me to internet. Diladi: an ekei den baleis tipota (to afiseis keno diladi ) tote to mixanima sto opoio den exeis balei esi dns server den tha exei internet.

 

Pes diladi oti to laptop sou thes men na einai sto diktio alla den theleis na exei internet. Tote polly apla sta TCP/ip settings tou laptop ekei pou leei DNS server to afineis keno. Tote ta shared arxeia/printers ola tha douleuoune kanonika apla to laptop den tha exei internet.

 

Pally edw DNS server balame tis times tou Gateway .Perisotera den kserw na sou pw gia DNS Server . POlloi lene oti einai kalytera na baleis ton dns pou exei o isp sou alla den gnwrizw gia pio logo auto einai kalytero.

 

Auta. Otidipote apories exeis edw eimaste :D

 

P.S. Genikotera sto na kaneis ena diktio epikratei i logiki . (milame gia apla pragmata panta ). Exeis tin epilogi mesa apo ta wizards twn windows na ftiakseis diktio xwris na mpeis stin diadikasia na peirakeis ta settings se TCP/IP kai loipa, alla den sto sinistw giati polles fores dimiourgountai problimata.

 

Kalytera na ta kaneis ola manually kai na ksereis ti akribws paizei etsi wste na to elenxeis esi to diktio sou ana pasa stigmh.

HexStatic Experienced

HexStatic

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Δημοσ.

Gia na min to pigeneis tuflosourti na sou eksigisw merika pragmata (osa mporw diladi na eksigisw)

 

Loipon:

 

IP Address: Einai i Ip pou dineis sto pc sou. Einai esoteriki IP kai den exei kamia sxesi me tin IP pou perneis apo ton ISP sou otan mpeneis sto net.

 

OUsiastika einai ena path to opoio prosdiorizei to pc sou sto diktio.

Ama anoikseis ton windows explorer kai sto adress bar grapseis tin IP apo to mixanima pou theleis sto diktio, tote polly apla blepeis ta shared arxeia tou.

 

Diladi an apo to laptop sou grapeis 192.168.0.1 tote tha se paei sta shared arxeia (folders) pou exei to Desktop sou (giati to desktop sou exei tin ip 192.168.0.1. To antistrofo mporeis na kaneis kai apo to desktop gia to laptop.

 

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Tip.>Pera apo tin Ip mporeis na grafeis to onoma tou pc . Diladi ama to desktop sou to lene "George" tote mporeis na grafeis sto address bar

\\george anti na grafeis tin ip tou desktop.

 

-To onoma pou exeis sto pc sou to briskeis apo edw->RIght Click sto My Computer->Properties->Click sto Tab Computer Name

 

To name anagrafetai ekei pou leei : "Full Computer Name" Kai an theleis mporeis na to alakseis Clickarontas ekei pou leei "Change"

 

Apla mou fenetai thelei restart meta to Pc gia na doulepsei.

 

-----------------------------------------------------------

 

Twra gia pio logo bazoune autes tis times ( 192.168.0.kati) kai oxi 143.265.233.445 (gia paradigma)

den gnwrizw.

 

Genikotera se ena diktio an exeis parapanw apo 2 pc mporeis na dineis esi oti ip theleis se kathe mixanima sto diktio. Diladi an exeis 4 pc tha tous dineis times

 

A: 192.168.0.1

B: 192.168.0.2

C: 192.168.0.3

D: 192.168.0.4

 

Den einai aparaithto na baleis 1, 2 , 3 , 4 diadoxika .. mporeis na baleis oti times esi theleis sto telos, Diladi mporeis na exeis

 

A: 192.168.0.15

B: 192.168.0.95

C: 192.168.0.78

D: 192.168.0.46

 

Apla einai pio praktiko na tis baleis 1, 2 , 3 ,4 gia na ksereis ti sou ginetai kai na min psaxeis pia ip exei to kathe mixanima.

 

Subnet Mask: Den exw tin paramikri idea ti einai kai ti rolo baraei.

 

Default Gateway : Ousiastika auto einai to path apo to opoio pernane ola .

 

An diladi exeis ena router kai panw tou koliseis 3-4 pc tote ola ta pc ekei pou leei default gateway tha exoune tin IP tou router. (giati ola epikoinwnoune metaksi tous mesw tou router) Sinithos auth h timi einai 192.168.0.1 h 192.168.1.1 Analogos to router. Ta NetGear exoune 192.168.0.1 enw ta Linksys exoune 192.168.1.1

 

Stin diki sou periptwsi epeidi to Desktop paizei ton rolo tou router/server gia auto ton logo h IP tou einai idia me to Gateway.

 

DNS Server Auto exei sxesi me to internet. Diladi: an ekei den baleis tipota (to afiseis keno diladi ) tote to mixanima sto opoio den exeis balei esi dns server den tha exei internet.

 

Pes diladi oti to laptop sou thes men na einai sto diktio alla den theleis na exei internet. Tote polly apla sta TCP/ip settings tou laptop ekei pou leei DNS server to afineis keno. Tote ta shared arxeia/printers ola tha douleuoune kanonika apla to laptop den tha exei internet.

 

Pally edw DNS server balame tis times tou Gateway .Perisotera den kserw na sou pw gia DNS Server . POlloi lene oti einai kalytera na baleis ton dns pou exei o isp sou alla den gnwrizw gia pio logo auto einai kalytero.

 

Auta. Otidipote apories exeis edw eimaste :D

 

P.S. Genikotera sto na kaneis ena diktio epikratei i logiki . (milame gia apla pragmata panta ). Exeis tin epilogi mesa apo ta wizards twn windows na ftiakseis diktio xwris na mpeis stin diadikasia na peirakeis ta settings se TCP/IP kai loipa, alla den sto sinistw giati polles fores dimiourgountai problimata.

 

Kalytera na ta kaneis ola manually kai na ksereis ti akribws paizei etsi wste na to elenxeis esi to diktio sou ana pasa stigmh.

KaizerSoze Grand Master

KaizerSoze

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Wraios dike mou.Apoti exw piasei,epeidi DEN exw router,sto internet eimai me tin IP pou exei to desktop.Auti omws DEN einai i 192.168.... giarti aytes einai mono gia mesa sto diktyo.Akoma kai router na eixa to internet tha evlepe to router mou kai to router tha ekane ta dika tou gia to LAN mou,swsta?

Gia tis times,an den kanw lathw den paei panw apo 255 giati nomizw einai 8bites ara den mporei na pare panw apo 256=2^8 times(0->255)swsta?

KaizerSoze Grand Master

KaizerSoze

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Wraios dike mou.Apoti exw piasei,epeidi DEN exw router,sto internet eimai me tin IP pou exei to desktop.Auti omws DEN einai i 192.168.... giarti aytes einai mono gia mesa sto diktyo.Akoma kai router na eixa to internet tha evlepe to router mou kai to router tha ekane ta dika tou gia to LAN mou,swsta?

Gia tis times,an den kanw lathw den paei panw apo 255 giati nomizw einai 8bites ara den mporei na pare panw apo 256=2^8 times(0->255)swsta?

HexStatic Experienced

HexStatic

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Gia tis times apo oso kserw den mporeis na baleis panw apo 255

Alla pios o logos?

 

Ousiastika oi IP pou orizeis esi (ta 192.168....) einai esoterikes kai aforoun MONO to diktio sou. Apo ekei kai pera opoiodipote PC bgainei sto net exei tin idia ip (auth diladi pou sou dinei o provider )

 

Diladi kai an kai ta 2 pc einai on line (kai to desktop kai to Laptop) kai ta 2 exoune tin idia internetiki IP.

 

Ousiastika oi esoterikes IP (ta 192.168.0.1 -2 ) den fenontai pouthena ekso sto internet. Diladi mporei kapoios na kserei oti exeis tin tade ip sto net alla apo ekei kai ustera den kserei an esi eisai mesa se diktio h oxi kai ti ip exei to pc sou kai loipa .

HexStatic Experienced

HexStatic

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Gia tis times apo oso kserw den mporeis na baleis panw apo 255

Alla pios o logos?

 

Ousiastika oi IP pou orizeis esi (ta 192.168....) einai esoterikes kai aforoun MONO to diktio sou. Apo ekei kai pera opoiodipote PC bgainei sto net exei tin idia ip (auth diladi pou sou dinei o provider )

 

Diladi kai an kai ta 2 pc einai on line (kai to desktop kai to Laptop) kai ta 2 exoune tin idia internetiki IP.

 

Ousiastika oi esoterikes IP (ta 192.168.0.1 -2 ) den fenontai pouthena ekso sto internet. Diladi mporei kapoios na kserei oti exeis tin tade ip sto net alla apo ekei kai ustera den kserei an esi eisai mesa se diktio h oxi kai ti ip exei to pc sou kai loipa .

nikosdimos Experienced

nikosdimos

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Gia tis times apo oso kserw den mporeis na baleis panw apo 255

Alla pios o logos?

Ο λόγος που δεν μπορέις να βάλεις νούμερο μεγαλύτερο απο το 255 ειναί γιατί από το πρωτόκολλο IPv4 η IP ενός μηχανήματος είναι ένα νούμερο το οποίο αποτελείται απο 32 bits ή καλύτερα 4 οχτάδες απο bits τις οποίες μετατρέποντάς τες στο δεκαδικό μας βγάζει αριθμούς από το 0 μέχρι το 255

Έτσι μπορείς να πείς οτι όλες οι IPs είναι από την 0.0.0.0 έως την 255.255.255.255

 

Τώρα ο λόγος που χρησιμοποιούμε διαφορετικές ("ψεύτικες")IPs στο εσωτερικό μας δίκτυο είναι επείδη απλούστατα δεν φτάνουν για όλα τα pc σε όλο τον κόσμο...

 

Diladi kai an kai ta 2 pc einai on line (kai to desktop kai to Laptop) kai ta 2 exoune tin idia internetiki IP.

 

Ousiastika oi esoterikes IP (ta 192.168.0.1 -2 ) den fenontai pouthena ekso sto internet. Diladi mporei kapoios na kserei oti exeis tin tade ip sto net alla apo ekei kai ustera den kserei an esi eisai mesa se diktio h oxi kai ti ip exei to pc sou kai loipa .

Αυτό λέγεται NAT (Network Address Translation) και βοηθάει σε περιπτώσεις όπως τα LANs που έχουμε οι περισσοτεροι σπίτια μας...

 

Επίσης μπορείται να δείται και εδώ για το IPv6 όπου όταν θα ισχύει παντού δεν θα χρειαζόμαστε πλέον το ΝΑΤ

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