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Σταλμένο την 1η Μαΐου 1978 σε όλους τους χρήστες του Arpanet από έναν άνθρωπο σε κάποιο τμήμα marketing στη δυτική ακτή των ΗΠΑ. Ιδού:

 

 

Mail-from: DEC-MARLBORO rcvd at 3-May-78 0955-PDT

Date: 1 May 1978 1233-EDT

From: THUERK at DEC-MARLBORO

Subject: ADRIAN@SRI-KL

To: DDAY at SRI-KL, DAY at SRI-KL, DEBOER at UCLA-CCN,

To: WASHDC at SRI-KL, LOGICON at USC-ISI, SDAC at USC-ISI,

To: DELDO at USC-ISI, DELEOT at USC-ISI, DELFINO at USC-ISI,

To: DENICOFF at USC-ISI, DESPAIN at USC-ISI, DEUTSCH at SRI-KL,

To: DEUTSCH at PARC-MAXC, EMY at CCA-TENEX, DIETER at USC-ISIB,

To: DINES at AMES-67, MERADCON at SRI-KL, EPG-SPEC at SRI-KA,

To: DIVELY at SRI-KL, DODD at USC-ISI, DONCHIN at USC-ISIC,

To: JED at LLL-COMP, DORIN at CCA-TENEX, NYU at SRI-KA,

To: DOUGHERTY at USC-ISI, PACOMJ6 at USC-ISI,

To: DEBBY at UCLA-SECURITY, BELL at SRI-KL, JHANNON at SRI-KA,

To: DUBOIS at USC-ISI, DUDA at SRI-KL, POH at USC-ISI,

To: LES at SU-AI, EAST at BBN-TENEX, DEASTMAN at USC-ECL,

To: EBISU at I4-TENEX, NAC at USC-ISIE, ECONOMIDIS at I4-TENEX,

To: WALSH at SRI-KL, GEDWARDS at SRI-KL, WEDWARDS at USC-ISI,

To: NUSC at SRI-KL, RM at SU-AI, ELKIND at PARC-MAXC,

To: ELLENBY at PARC-MAXC, ELLIS at PARC-MAXC, ELLIS at USC-ISIB,

To: ENGELBART at SRI-KL, ENGELMORE at SUMEX-AIM,

To: ENGLISH at PARC-MAXC, ERNST at I4-TENEX,

To: ESTRIN at MIT-MULTICS, EYRES at USC-ISIC,

To: FAGAN at SUMEX-AIM, FALCONER at SRI-KL,

To: DUF at UCLA-SECURITY, FARBER at RAND-UNIX, PMF at SU-AI,

To: HALFF at USC-ISI, RJF at MIT-MC, FEIERBACH at I4-TENEX,

To: FEIGENBAUM at USC-ISI, FEINLER at SRI-KL,

To: FELDMAN at SUMEX-AIM, FELDMAN at SRI-KL, FERNBACH at LLL-COMP,

To: FERRARA at RADC-MULTICS, FERRETTI at SRI-KA,

To: FIALA at PARC-MAXC, FICKAS at USC-ISIC, AFIELD at I4-TENEX,

To: FIKES at PARC-MAXC, REF at SU-AI, FINK at MIT-MULTICS,

To: FINKEL at USC-ISIB, FINN at USC-ISIB, AFGWC at BBN-TENEX,

To: FLINT at SRI-KL, WALSH at SRI-KL, DRXAN at SRI-KA,

To: FOX at SRI-KL, FRANCESCHINI at MIT-MULTICS,

To: SAI at USC-ISIC, FREDRICKSON at RAND-RCC, ETAC at BBN-TENEXB,

To: FREYLING at BBN-TENEXE, FRIEDLAND at SUMEX-AIM,

To: FRIENDSHUH at SUMEX-AIM, FRITSCH at LLL-COMP, ME at SU-AI,

To: FURST at BBN-TENEXB, FUSS at LLL-COMP, OP-FYE at USC-ISIB,

To: SCHILL at USC-ISIC, GAGLIARDI at USC-ISIC,

To: GAINES at RAND-UNIX, GALLENSON at USC-ISIB,

To: GAMBLE at BBN-TENEXE, GAMMILL at RAND-UNIX,

To: GANAN at USC-ISI, GARCIA at SUMEX-AIM,

To: GARDNER at SUMEX-AIM, MCCUTCHEN at SRI-KL,

To: GARDNER at MIT-MULTICS, GARLICK at SRI-KL,

To: GARVEY at SRI-KL, GAUTHIER at USC-ISIB,

To: USGS-LIA at BBN-TENEX, GEMOETS at I4-TENEX,

To: GERHART at USC-ISIB, GERLA at USC-ISIE, GERLACH at I4-TENEX,

To: GERMAN at HARV-10, GERPHEIDE at SRI-KA, DANG at SRI-KL,

To: GESCHKE at PARC-MAXC, GIBBONS at CMU-10A,

To: GIFFORD.COMPSYS at MIT-MULTICS, JGILBERT at BBN-TENEXB,

To: SGILBERT at BBN-TENEXB, SDAC at USC-ISI,

To: GILLOGLY at RAND-UNIX, STEVE at RAND-UNIX,

To: GLEASON at SRI-KL, JAG;BIN(1525) at UCLA-CCN,

To: GOLD at LL-11, GOLDBERG at USC-ISIB, GOLDGERG at SRI-KL,

To: GROBSTEIN at SRI-KL, GOLDSTEIN at BBN-TENEXB,

To: DARPM-NW at BBN-TENEXB, GOODENOUGH at USC-ISIB,

To: GEOFF at SRI-KL, GOODRICH at I4-TENEX, GOODWIN at USC-ISI,

To: GOVINSKY at SRI-KL, DEAN at I4-TENEX, TEG at MIT-MULTICS,

To: CCG at SU-AI, EPG-SPEC at SRI-KA, GRISS at USC-ECL,

To: BJG at RAND-UNIX, MCCUTCHEN at SRI-KL, GROBSTEIN at SRI-KL,

To: MOBAH at I4-TENEX, GUSTAFSON at USC-ISIB, GUTHARY at SRI-KL,

To: GUTTAG at USC-ISIB, GUYTON at RAND-RCC,

To: ETAC-AD at BBN-TENEXB, HAGMANN at USC-ECL, HALE at I4-TENEX,

To: HALFF at USC-ISI, DEHALL at MIT-MULTICS,

To: HAMPEL at LLL-COMP, HANNAH at USC-ISI,

To: NORSAR-TIP at USC-ISIC, SCRL at USC-ISI, HAPPY at SRI-KL,

To: HARDY at SRI-KL, IMPACT at SRI-KL, KLH at SRI-KL,

To: J33PAC at USC-ISI, HARRISON at SRI-KL, WALSH at SRI-KL,

To: DRCPM-FF at BBN-TENEXB, HART at AMES-67, HART at SRI-KL,

To: HATHAWAY at AMES-67, AFWL at I4-TENEX, BHR at RAND-UNIX,

To: RICK at RAND-UNIX, DEBE at USC-ISIB, HEARN at USC-ECL,

To: HEATH at UCLA-ATS, HEITMEYER at BBN-TENEX, ADTA at SRI-KA,

To: HENDRIX at SRI-KL, CH47M at BBN-TENEXB, HILLIER at SRI-KL,

To: HISS at I4-TENEX, ASLAB at USC-ISIC, HOLG at USC-ISIB,

To: HOLLINGWORTH at USC-ISIB, HOLLOWAY at HARV-10,

To: HOLMES at SRI-KL, HOLSWORTH at SRI-KA, HOLT at LLL-COMP,

To: HOLTHAM at LL, DHOLZMAN at RAND-UNIX, HOPPER at USC-ISIC,

To: HOROWITZ at USC-ISIB, VSC at USC-ISI, HOWARD at LLL-COMP,

To: HOWARD at USC-ISI, PURDUE at USC-ISI, HUBER at RAND-RCC,

To: HUNER at RADC-MULTICS, HUTSON at AMES-67, IMUS at USC-ISI,

To: JACOBS at USC-ISIE, JACOBS at BBN-TENEXB,

To: JACQUES at BBN-TENEXB, JARVIS at PARC-MAXC,

To: JEFFERS at PARC-MAXC, JENKINS at PARC-MAXC,

To: JENSEN at SRI-KA, JIRAK at SUMEX-AIM, NICKIE at SRI-KL,

To: JOHNSON at SUMEX-AIM, JONES at SRI-KL, JONES at LLL-COMP,

To: JONES at I4-TENEX, RLJ at MIT-MC, JURAK at USC-ECL,

To: KAHLER at SUMEX-AIM, MWK at SU-AI, KAINE at USC-ISIB,

To: KALTGRAD at UCLA-ATS, MARK at UCLA-SECURITY, RAK at SU-AI,

To: KASTNER at USC-ISIB, KATT at USC-ISIB,

To: UCLA-MNC at USC-ISI, ALAN at PARC-MAXC, KEENAN at USC-ISI,

To: KEHL at UCLA-CCN, KELLEY at SRI-KL, BANANA at I4-TENEX,

To: KELLOGG at USC-ISI, DDI at USC-ISI, KEMERY at SRI-KL,

To: KEMMERER at UCLA-ATS, PARVIZ at UCLA-ATS, KING at SUMEX-AIM,

To: KIRSTEIN at USC-ISI, SDC at UCLA-SECURITY,

To: KLEINROCK at USC-ISI, KLEMBA at SRI-KL, CSK at USC-ISI,

To: KNIGHT at SRI-KL, KNOX at USC-ISI, KODA at USC-ISIB,

To: KODANI at AMES-67, KOOIJ at USC-ISI, KREMERS at SRI-KL,

To: BELL at SRI-KL, KUNZELMAN at SRI-KL, PROJX at SRI-KL,

To: LAMPSON at PARC-MAXC, SDL at RAND-UNIX, JOJO at SRI-KL,

To: SDC at USC-ISI, NELC3030 at USC-ISI,

To: LEDERBERG at SUMEX-AIM, LEDUC at SRI-KL, JSLEE at USC-ECL,

To: JACOBS at USC-ISIE, WREN at USC-ISIB, LEMONS at USC-ISIB,

To: LEUNG at SRI-KL, J33PAC at USC-ISI, LEVIN at USC-ISIB,

To: LEVINTHAL at SUMEX-AIM, LICHTENBERGER at I4-TENEX,

To: LICHTENSTEIN at USC-ISI, LIDDLE at PARC-MAXC,

To: LIEB at USC-ISIB, LIEBERMAN at SRI-KL, STANL at USC-ISIE,

To: LIERE at I4-TENEX, DOCB at USC-ISIC, LINDSAY at SRI-KL,

To: LINEBARGER at AMES-67, LIPKIS at USC-ECL, SLES at USC-ISI,

To: LIS at SRI-KL, LONDON at USC-ISIB, J33PAC at USC-ISI,

To: LOPER at SRI-KA, LOUVIGNY at SRI-KL, LOVELACE at USC-ISIB,

To: LUCANIC at SRI-KL, LUCAS at USC-ISIB, DCL at SU-AI,

To: LUDLAM at UCLA-CCN, YNGVAR at SRI-KA, LYNCH at SRI-KL,

To: LYNN at USC-ISIB, MABREY at SRI-KL, MACKAY at AMES-67,

To: MADER at USC-ISIB, MAGILL at SRI-KL, KMAHONEY at BBN-TENEX,

To: MANN at USC-ISIB, ZM at SU-AI, MANNING at USC-ISI,

To: MANTIPLY at I4-TENEX, MARIN at I4-TENEX, SCRL at USC-ISI,

To: HARALD at SRI-KA, GLORIA-JEAN at UCLA-CCN, MARTIN at USC-ISIC,

To: WMARTIN at USC-ISI, GRM at RAND-UNIX, MASINTER at USC-ISI,

To: MASON at USC-ISIB, MATHIS at SRI-KL, MAYNARD at USC-ISIC,

To: MCBREARTY at SRI-KL, MCCALL at SRI-KA, MCCARTHY at SU-AI,

To: MCCLELLAND at USC-ISI, DORIS at RAND-UNIX, MCCLURG at SRI-KL,

To: JOHN at I4-TENEX, MCCREIGHT at PARC-MAXC, MCCRUMB at USC-ISI,

To: DRXTE at SRI-KA

cc: BPM at SU-AI

 

Note here how we get to the body of the message and there are still addresses going into it that wouldn't fit!

 

MCKINLEY@USC-ISIB

MMCM@SRI-KL

OT-ITS@SRI-KA

BELL@SRI-KL

MEADE@SRI-KL

MARTIN@USC-ISI

MERRILL@BBN-TENEX

METCALFE@PARC-MAXC

JMETZGER@USC-ISIB

MICHAEL@USC-ISIC

CMILLER@SUMEX-AIM

MILLER@USC-ISI

SCI@USC-ISI

MILLER@USC-ISIC

MITCHELL@PARC-MAXC

MITCHELL@USC-ISI

MITCHELL@SUMEX-AIM

MLM@SU-AI

JPDG@TENEXB

MOORE@USC-ISIB

WMORE@USC-ISIB

JAM@SU-AI

MORAN@PARC-MAXC

ROZ@SU-AI

MORGAN@USC-ISIB

MORRIS@PARC-MAXC

MORRIS@I4-TENEX

OT-ITS@SRI-KA

LISA@USC-ISIB

MOSHER@SRI-KL

MULHERN@USC-ISI

MUNTZ;BIN(1529)@UCLA-CCN

MYERS@USC-ISIC

MYERS@RAND-RCC

DRCPM-FF-FO@BBN-TENEXB

NAGEL@USC-ISIB

NAPKE@SRI-KL

NARDI@SRI-KL

NAYLOR@USC-ISIE

LOU@USC-ISIE

NESBIT@RAND-RCC

NEUMANN@SRI-KA

NEVATIA@USC-ECL

NEWBY@USC-ISI

NEWEKK@SRI-KA

NIELSON@SRI-KL

NLL@SUMEX-AIM

NILSSON@SRI-KL

NITZAN@SRI-KL

NOEL@USC-ISIC

NORMAN@PARC-MAXC

NORTON@SRI-KL

JOAN@USC-ISIB

NOURSE@SUMEX-AIM

PDG@SRI-KL

OMALLEY@SRI-KA

OCKEN@USC-ISIC

OESTREICHER@USC-ISIB

OGDEN@SRI-KA

OKINAKA@USC-ISIE

OLSON@I4-TENEX

ORNSTEIN@PARC-MAXC

PANKO@SRI-KL

TED@SU-AI

PARK@SRI-KL

PBARAN@USC-ISI

PARKER@USC-ISIB

PEARCE@USC-ISI

PEPIN@USC-ECL

PERKINS@USC-ISIB

PETERS@SRI-KL

AMPETERSON@USC-ISI

ASLAB@USC-ISIC

EPG-SPEC@SRI-KA

PEZDIRTZ@LLL-COMP

CHARLIE@I4-TENEX

UCLA-DOC@USC-ISI

WPHILLIPS@USC-ISI

PIERCY@MOFFETT-ARC

PINE@SRI-KL

PIPES@I4-TENEX

PIRTLE@SRI-KL

POGGIO@USC-ISIC

POH@USC-ISI

POOL@BBN-TENEX

POPEK@USC-ISI

POSTEL@USC-ISIB

POWER@SRI-KL

PRICE@USC-ECL

RANDALL@USC-ISIB

RANDALL@SRI-KA

RAPHAEL@SRI-KL

RAPP@RAND-RCC

RASMUSSEN@USC-ISIC

RATTNER@SRI-KL

RAY@ILL-NTX

FNWC@I4-TENEX

BRL@SRI-KL

RETZ@SRI-KL

SKIP@USC-ISIB

RICHARDSON@USC-ISIB

RICHES@USC-ECL

GWEN@USC-ECL

OP-RIEDEL@USC-ISIB

RIES@LLL-COMP

RINDFLEISCH@SUMEX-AIM

OP-ROBBINS@USC-ISIB

ROBINSON@SRI-KL

JROBINSON@SRI-KL

RODRIQUEZ@SRI-KL

MARTIN@USC-ISI

ROM@USC-ISIC

ROMIEZ@I4-TENEX

ROSE@USC-ISI

ROSEN@SRI-KL

BARBARA@I4-TENEX

ROTHENBERG@USC-ISIB

RUBIN@SRI-KL

JBR@SU-AI

RUBINSTEIN@BBN-TENEXD

RUDY@USC-ECL

RUGGERI@SRI-KA

RULIFSON@PARC-MAXC

DALE@USC-ISIB

SACERDOTI@SRI-KL

SAGALOWICZ@SRI-KL

ALS@SU-AI

SANTONI@USC-ISIC

SATTERTHWAITE@PARC-MAXC

SAWCHUK@USC-ECL

CPF-CC@USC-ISI

SCHELONKA@USC-ISI

SCHILL@USC-ISIC

SCHILLING@USC-ISI

SCHULZ@SUMEX-AIM

SCOTT@SUMEX-AIM

CPF-CC@USC-ISI

OP-SEATON@USC-ISIB

SENNE@LL

NORM@RAND-UNIX

AFWL@14-TENEX

SHEPPARD@LL-ASG

SHERWIN@USC-ISI

SHERWOOD@SRI-KL

SHORT@SRI-KL

SHORTLIFE@SUMEX-AIM

SHOSHANI@BBN-TENEX

MARTIN@USC-ISI

UCLA-NMC@USC-ISIE

SDL@USC-ISIC

SKOCYPEC@USC-ISI

SLES@USC-ISI

SLOTTOW@UCLA-CCN

NOAA@14-TENEX

SMALL@USC-ISI

DAVESMITH@PARC-MAXC

DSMITH@RAND-UNIX

SMITH@SUMEX-AIM

SMITH@USC-ECL

MARCIE@I4-TENEX

USARSGEUR@USC-ISI

LOGICON@USC-ISI

EPA@SRI-KL

SONDEREGGER@USC-ISIB

SPEER@LL

AMICON-RN@USC-ISI

SPROULL@PARC-MAXC

PROJX@SRI-KL

STEF@SRI-KA

STEFIK@SUMEX-AIM

STEPHENS@SRI-KA

CFD@I4-TENEX

STOCKHAM@SRI-KA

STOTZ@USC-ISIB

ALLEN@UCLA-SECURITY

STOUTE@MIT-ML

STRADLING@SRI-KL

STROLLO@PARC-MAXC

UCLA-0638@UCLA-CCN

CRT@SRI-KA

SUNSHINE@RAND-UNIX

SUTHERLAND@SRI-KL

SUTHERLAND@RAND-UNIX

SUTHERLAND@PARC-MAXC

SUTTON@USC-ISIC

SWEER@SUMEX-AIM

TAFT@PARC-MAXC

TAYLOR@USC-ISIB

TAYLOR@PARC-MAXC

TAYNAI@SUMEX-AIM

TEITELMAN@PARC-MAXC

TENENBAUM@SRI-KL

GREEP@RAND-UNIX

TERRY@SUMEX-AIM

TESLER@PARC-MAXC

THACKER@PARC-MAXC

PWT@RAND-UNIX

TIPPIT@USC-ISIE

TOBAGI@USC-ISIE

TOGNETTI@SUMEX-AIM

TORRES@SRI-KL

TOWNLEY@HARV-10

ELINA@UCLA-ATS

TUCKER@SUMEX-AIM

TUGENDER@USC-ISIB

LLLSRG@MIT-MC

UNCAPHER@USC-ISIB

NOSC@SRI-KL

UNTULIS@SRI-KL

MIKE@UCLA-SECURITY

AARDVARK@UCLA-ATS

UZGALIS;BIN(0836)@UCLA-CCN

VANGOETHEM@UCLA-CCN

VANMIEROP@USC-ISIB

VANNOUHUYS@SRI-KL

VEIZADES@SUMEX-AIM

VESECKY@USC-ISI

AV@MIT-DMS

VICTOR@USC-ISIC

VIDAL@UCLA-SECURITY

OP-VILAIN@USC-ISIB

RV@RAND-UNIX

SDL@USC-ISIC

VOLPE@SRI-KL

VONNEGUT@I4-TENEX

VU@SRI-KL

WACTLAR@CMU-10A

WAGNER@USC-ISI

WAHRMAN@RAND-UNIX

WALDINGER@SRI-KL

WALKER@UCLA-SECURITY

WALKER@SRI-KL

WALLACE@PARC-MAXC

EVE@UCLA-SECURITY

LOGICON@USC-ISI

DON@RAND-UNIX

WATSON@USC-ISIC

WEIDEL@USC-ECL

WEINBERG@SRI-KL

JLW@MIT-AI

LAUREN@UCLA-SECURITY

WEISSMAN@I4-TENEX

WELLS@USC-ISIC

GERSH@USC-ISI

WETHEREL@LLL-COMP

RWW@SU-AI

SCRL@USC-ISI

TWHELLER@SRI-KA

MABREY@SRI-KL

WHITE@PARC-MAXC

WHITE@SUMEX-AIM

WIEDERHOLD@SUMEX-AIM

WILBER@SRI-KL

EPG-SPEC@SRI-KA

WILCOX@SUMEX-AIM

WILCZYNSKI@USC-ISIB

WILE@USC-ISIB

OP-WILLIAMS@USC-ISIB

WILSON@USC-ISIB

TW@SU-AI

SCI@USC-ISI

WISNIEWSKI@RAND-UNIX

WOLF@SRI-KL

PAT@SU-AI

NELC3030@USC-ISI

WYATT@HARV-10

LEO@USC-ISIB

YEH@LLL-COMP

YONKE@USC-ISIB

YOUNGBERG@SRI-KA

ZEGERS@SRI-KL

ZOLOTOW@SRI-KL

ZOSEL@LLL-COMP

DIGITAL WILL BE GIVING A PRODUCT PRESENTATION OF THE NEWEST MEMBERS OF THE

DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY; THE DECSYSTEM-2020, 2020T, 2060, AND 2060T. THE

DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY OF COMPUTERS HAS EVOLVED FROM THE TENEX OPERATING SYSTEM

AND THE DECSYSTEM-10 <PDP-10> COMPUTER ARCHITECTURE. BOTH THE DECSYSTEM-2060T

AND 2020T OFFER FULL ARPANET SUPPORT UNDER THE TOPS-20 OPERATING SYSTEM.

THE DECSYSTEM-2060 IS AN UPWARD EXTENSION OF THE CURRENT DECSYSTEM 2040

AND 2050 FAMILY. THE DECSYSTEM-2020 IS A NEW LOW END MEMBER OF THE

DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY AND FULLY SOFTWARE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER

DECSYSTEM-20 MODELS.

 

WE INVITE YOU TO COME SEE THE 2020 AND HEAR ABOUT THE DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY

AT THE TWO PRODUCT PRESENTATIONS WE WILL BE GIVING IN CALIFORNIA THIS

MONTH. THE LOCATIONS WILL BE:

 

TUESDAY, MAY 9, 1978 - 2 PM

HYATT HOUSE (NEAR THE L.A. AIRPORT)

LOS ANGELES, CA

 

THURSDAY, MAY 11, 1978 - 2 PM

DUNFEY'S ROYAL COACH

SAN MATEO, CA

(4 MILES SOUTH OF S.F. AIRPORT AT BAYSHORE, RT 101 AND RT 92)

 

A 2020 WILL BE THERE FOR YOU TO VIEW. ALSO TERMINALS ON-LINE TO OTHER

DECSYSTEM-20 SYSTEMS THROUGH THE ARPANET. IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO ATTEND,

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT THE NEAREST DEC OFFICE

FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXCITING DECSYSTEM-20 FAMILY.

 

Από το http://thelongestlistofthelongeststuffatthelongestdomainnameatlonglast.com/first96.html

 

 

 

Αμάν! Πρώτη φορά κάνω forward σε spam! Πρώτη φορά δημοσιεύω / ή μήπως δημοσιεύεται spam στο insomnia;! :)

Godfath3r Mentor

Godfath3r

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Δημοσ.

Aπο το ίδιο site:

First off, spam got it's name from Monty Python.

 

Secondly, the first spam email was sent on May 01 1978 by a DEC marketing representative to every ARPANET address on the west coast of the United States.

 

Και ερωτώ εγώ: Υπήρχαν το 1978 email?

kirimis Experienced

kirimis

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Δημοσ.
Aπο το ίδιο site:

 

 

Και ερωτώ εγώ: Υπήρχαν το 1978 email?

 

και απαντω.... η ιστορια του mail ξεκινησε στα μεσα της δεκαετιας του 60... και το 1978, ναι μπορουσε καποιος να στελει mailaki... (παντα μιλαμε για τελειως βασικα πραγματα...)

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